RE: The absurd need for logical proofs for God
November 22, 2020 at 7:40 pm
(This post was last modified: November 22, 2020 at 7:40 pm by LadyForCamus.)
(November 22, 2020 at 5:24 pm)Klorophyll Wrote:(November 22, 2020 at 4:11 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Sure, np. First, let's ask if anyone actually established the equality of the concepts.
An atheist believes that.....
1-they have a mind.
2-there is an external world.
3-there are other minds.
A theist believes.....
1-they have a mind.
2-there is an external world.
3-there are other minds.
4-at least one of those minds is a god.
Nope. Looks like there's an additional commitment, right off the bat. That 4th commitment is a doozy - no matter how you intend to rationalize it.
I am still reading Plantinga's book. And I don't think this is how he presents his argument. For a start, it's the same criteria that leads the atheist to believe in2 and 3 that should be investigated, not the claim 4 taken by itself.
(November 22, 2020 at 3:34 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Many religions offer up prophets, holy texts, personal testimony, etc. as evidence sufficient for belief. If two different people can believe in mutually exclusive religions based on the same type of evidence, then how reliable is that type of evidence?
It doesn't matter if people believe in mutually exclusive religions based on the same criteria. A lot more than evidence -how appealing the religion is for each individual personally, his culture, etc. - should be considered when asking why someone picked some religion.
It doesn’t matter to you that your method for determining whether or not a god exists is neither consistent nor reliable? That’s...telling, lol.
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