(December 10, 2020 at 1:27 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: I'll give you a real world example from my own life. If you searched catholic church in (insert my city here), you'll be directed to the diocese website. The diocese website, on it's welcome page, offers an energy and carbon audit for households. That's their in. They're direct competitors with me in an ideological marketplace..but, in practice, we work together on this issue with some regularity. I've paid my bills with catholic money.
I farm St Peter's fish, after all..in the middle of a veritable fish (and food) desert. If that's not one of gods miracles.......of mana falling from the sky..well, you tell me.
Now, there are explanations for this. I live in a rural area and so the message about what should be which resonates here isn't the same message that resonates in NYC (although that;'s changing). The catholic religion..here, officiialy, believes that the world should be more in tune with natural cycles and limitations. That;s the litmus test for prospective new believers. That;s the angle.
That's a moral claim. Now, I have questions;
Are they wrong that the would should be a certain way. In this case, energy and carbon conscious.
Are they wrong about some jesus?
+and, for bonus points, I'm disappointed that you invoked moral realism and then immediately insisted that you didn't have the right answer to anything when challanged. Either you believe in right answers or you don't - pick a lane. I have no problem telling people that my moral standards are universal and true, and you must believe as much to claim that others are not and are false.
This last is untrue, as stated in my last post, and false or not is what ensuing discussions and debates are to address and determine.
As to Jesus, of course they are wrong, as they see one Jesus when there are obviously more than one archetypal good man in the scriptures.
Christians tend to never quote or recognize the more esoteric shaman Jesus, who puts man above all the gods we have created.
If religions were concerned about our carbon footprint, they would sell off their energy gobbling churches and temples and get their paws out of the pockets of the more gullible of us.
Regards
DL
