RE: Why did Jesus suffer for sinners and not victims
May 28, 2021 at 2:12 pm
(This post was last modified: May 28, 2021 at 2:13 pm by Brian37.)
(May 23, 2021 at 6:21 am)Five Wrote: Jesus supposedly suffered for our sins. Victims of sinners suffer from the same sins that Jesus already suffered for. The sinner is often unrepentant, feels no guilt and doesn't suffer. So what's the point of Jesus' suffering if the victim also suffers but not the sinner?
Why wasn't someone sent to take on the suffering of the victims? That would be nice. It seems though that the victims have to suffer for sins that Jesus already suffered for. It's like the sin is double dipping.
I remember reading about Polly Klass years ago. She was a 12 year old girl who was kidnapped from her house while she was having a slumber party. Richard Allen Davis, who had been in and out of jail several times, broke into her house at night and kidnapped, abused and murdered her. Polly and her family suffered greatly for what he did. He is still alive and unrepentant in jail.
If Jesus already suffered for what Davis did, why did poor Poly also have to suffer? Why didn't Jesus suffer for Polly? The only person who didn't suffer was Davis. He probably regrets being in jail but not what he did to Polly. If he has a chance to repent in the next life, why did Poly and her family have to pay the price when Jesus already took care of it. Makes no sense.
A hero will throw him/herself in front of a bullet for a friend. The hero suffers a bullet wound but the friend is saved. Only one person is hurt.
Jesus took a bullet for us all but we are still shot and suffer from the same bullet. Jesus suffered and we suffer. What's the point of all the suffering? So the shooter can go to heaven? What about the victims? Who suffers for them?
Discussing the flawed logic of any holy writing in human history worldwide is like arguing plot holes in Hollywood movies.
Humans make shit up. The only difference beween the world's holy writings of any religion, and Hollywood movies, is that entertainment is accepted as such, and religion is fantasy falsely argued as fact even to a polictical scale.
Give any religious follower of any religion the time, they will always make the argument for excuses for fucking up or being the real victim.
The real argument is that our species is flawed, and religion has nothing to do with that reality. There are always points where one can say "I made a mistake" and other times they will falsely play victim. There is not one individual, not one group, not one label in our species history that can't fall for flawed logic.
Luke and Obi Wan forgiving Anikan at the end of "Retern Of The Jedi" is an appealing motif of forgiveness. But most sane people I know in reality would not forgive Hitler, and rightfully so. So how is it Darth/Anikan works in a mere movie? How is it the God of the Bible gets away with condoning the infanticide of the firstborn Egyptians males, and the genocide of the flood?
I've long since found arguments, such as yours, in the OP superfluous. There is not one religion in the world, that does not have memebers that claim a patent on human morality, but yet at the same time, there is also not one nation on the face of the planet, that does not have both hospitals or prisons.