I have some questions for the posters here.

[Frank Apisa]

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I do not have a comprehension issue.

If you do not want to participate in this discussion...go somewhere else.

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1) I do not have a comprehension problem.
2) Just so I get this correct...are you saying that telling someone "If you do not want to participate here...go somewhere else"...is LIMITING that person???
Please answer that. I just want to be sure, because there is no way during the last 20+ years of posting that I have EVBER limited anyone from posting in response to me.

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Ask your questions if you want to...I will be happy to respond. If you do not want to ask them...just don't ask them.

Was that an open question?  Or one for which you have a pre-set answer?

Of course it was an "open question." I have no pre-set answers for any questions.

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When I use the word "god" I mean "The entity (or entities) responsible for the creation of what we humans call 'the physical universe'...IF THERE IS SUCH AN ENTITY."

But why does God necessarily must imply a creator?

It doesn't necessarily imply a creator...nor did I suggest it did. I merely described what I am talking about when I am discussing "gods."



Let me ask you this question: if humans one day build a computer that is thousands or even a million times smarter than a human brain - could that computer be considered a God?

If someone wanted to consider it a god...it could be considered a god. If someone wanted to consider YOU to be a god...you would be considered a god (by that person.)

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I often give "facts."

I am not saying that atheists are guessing. 

I AM SAYING that people who assert "There are no gods" are guessing. Therer is absolutely no way for anyone to KNOW that there are no gods.

Why do you think there's no way of knowing that there are no gods?

I do not "think" there is no way of knowing that there are no gods...I KNOW there is no way of knowing it.

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Agnosticism, ruining reality for the rest of us.

I think agnosticism does ruin theistic and atheistic blind guesses about REALITY.

Good for it.

But that is not the issue being discussed in this thread.

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Saying that I don't know something would be agnosticism.  Claiming that it's impossible to know something is an entirely different assertion.  Personally, I think it's a bit of a rabbit hole, but I am interested in how a claim focusing on the individual ends up being insisted as comment on the world at large.

If I ask somebody what the proper weight for some bird is, they might say they don't know.  They have a vague idea or general opinions, but they'd have to get back to me on that, or I'd have to ask someone else, or look somewhere else, if I was looking for a fact.  Maybe two reasonable and well informed people disagree over that fact, even.  Here is our bird weight agnostic and our dueling bird weight gnostics.

A person who says, instead, that no one can know the proper weight for some bird...is making a different claim than any of those three people.

TLDR version...I'm not so sure we can blame the agnostics for ruining reality.  

Okay, I sorta agree, in part. Anyone who says "It is impossible to know if any gods exist" is way over the line. There is no way for anyone to KNOW that it is impossible to know if any gods exist. If any exist, it is at least possible it has a way of verifying its existence.

BUT...and this is a huge BUT...I can say without equivocation that IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW THAT THERE ARE NO GODS.
Think about it. How can one possibly verify that there are NO GODS.?

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@Frank Apisa

There are many, many degrees between a blind guess and absolute certainty.

There are indeed. We agree on that.