(June 23, 2021 at 11:06 am)Angrboda Wrote:(June 23, 2021 at 10:45 am)Frank Apisa Wrote:(June 22, 2021 at 9:52 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Saying that I don't know something would be agnosticism. Claiming that it's impossible to know something is an entirely different assertion. Personally, I think it's a bit of a rabbit hole, but I am interested in how a claim focusing on the individual ends up being insisted as comment on the world at large.
If I ask somebody what the proper weight for some bird is, they might say they don't know. They have a vague idea or general opinions, but they'd have to get back to me on that, or I'd have to ask someone else, or look somewhere else, if I was looking for a fact. Maybe two reasonable and well informed people disagree over that fact, even. Here is our bird weight agnostic and our dueling bird weight gnostics.
A person who says, instead, that no one can know the proper weight for some bird...is making a different claim than any of those three people.
TLDR version...I'm not so sure we can blame the agnostics for ruining reality.
Okay, I sorta agree, in part. Anyone who says "It is impossible to know if any gods exist" is way over the line. There is no way for anyone to KNOW that it is impossible to know if any gods exist. If any exist, it is at least possible it has a way of verifying its existence.
BUT...and this is a huge BUT...I can say without equivocation that IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW THAT THERE ARE NO GODS.
Think about it. How can one possibly verify that there are NO GODS.?
Not knowing how one can know that there are no possible gods is not the same as knowing that it is not possible to know that there are no gods. The former seems to be an argument from ignorance, and is invalid. If this is how you know that it is not possible to know that there are no gods, then you do not know. How do you know that I cannot know that there are no gods?
Let me pose a hypothetical. Let's say that I tell you that I have an ironclad deductive argument against the existence of gods. Obviously, you don't know what my argument is. Equally as obvious is that you're claiming that I cannot have an ironclad deductive argument against the existence of gods. So the question becomes, how exactly can you know that I have no ironclad deductive argument against the existence of gods when you don't know what I know?
I am saying that you CANNOT have an ironclad deductive argument that NO GODS EXIST.
You have a huge advantage over me here. You can show that I am full of Shinola by presenting such an argument.
So...have a go at it.
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