RE: I have some questions for the posters here.
June 24, 2021 at 3:42 pm
(This post was last modified: June 24, 2021 at 3:45 pm by Frank Apisa.)
(June 24, 2021 at 3:35 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote:(June 24, 2021 at 3:23 pm)Frank Apisa Wrote: I am not a troll, V. Not in any way. I also do not know what SSD means.
I do have a position I want to put forward, but I can do it without all the nonsense coming my way. In the meantime, I have asked questions of people who declare themselves to be atheists...so that I knw what they are talking about as the discussion moves forward. (If it ever does.)
A nonbelief in god(s). That's what most folks here mean by atheist.
So, lemmie ask, if you have no knowledge of gods (as per the OP), then isn't nonbelief the most reasonable option?
Yup. Non-belief is where I am at, V.
I do not "believe" any gods exist. But that does not make me an atheist any more than the fact that I also do not "believe" that there are no gods makes me a theist.
The fact that I do not "believe" that any gods exist...DOES NOT mean that I "believe" no gods exist.
Some people "believe" no gods exist. I am not one of those people.
Some people "believe" that at least one god exists. I am not one of those people either.
On the question of whether gods exist or not...I do not "believe" in either direction.
(June 24, 2021 at 3:34 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: You could explain what you think a gnostic atheist is being unreasonable about, or in what specific way they're gullible, Frank. We could just use gnostics in general, as I wondered earlier. Do you doubt knowledge claims in general, or just knowledge claims about this particular thing? It seems like it would have to be the latter, since we agreed almost immediately that there was such a thing as a fact...but, ofc, clarity is always appreciated.
I do not think atheists of any stripe are being unreasonable about anything. I also do not think theists of any stripe are being unreasonable either.
It is my opinion that anyone who uses the word "atheist" as a descriptor or part of a descriptor...is not doing so because of just a lack of "belief" in any gods. I think the reason they do it is because the think there are no gods...or they think it is more likely that there are no gods than that there is.
I do not take that stance.
I am not an atheist.
