If people were 100% rational, would the world be better?

[The Grand Nudger]

I mean, don’t get me wrong. Maybe I’m not playing with a full deck, lol. I can’t rule that possibility out myself, I suppose. 

Neither can I.  I want to say that you're in god company, but I'm there to...soo....

You have me thinking then, can the value-assigner assign value to itself? That seems wrong to me. Something is valuable if it serves some purpose to the value-assigner. What purpose does my own existence serve to myself? What am I even saying? My own existence serves the purpose of me existing? That seems circular, or like a tautology. Can we even talk about the valuation of things within our existence and the value of our existence itself in a comparative way that is reasonable? 

That's an interesting rule.  That valuers cant assign value to themselves. Is this a law of physics.....or...?

I’m not sure I’m convinced they’re rational. I don’t know yet. I’m thinking on it. I keep going back and forth, tbh. If simply wanting live is a rational case for life; life for life’s sake and nothing more; then isn’t not wanting to live equally as rational? 

Not necessarily, no.  It might be that a human who wants to live and a human that wants to die are not on equal rational grounds.  Not that this matters to either of us as to what they should, can, or will do, an any binding sense.

Kloro thinks there's no reason/value/purpose to life because it isn't god value.  You have a value category that you're inquiring about too..but it's not the set of rational cases for life.  You're aware of some and can imagine that there are more, but those cases don't satisfy that set you have in mind.

I think many theists use god-value and eternal existence interchangeably, though the latter doesn’t necessarily follow from the former. Would theists care as much about how much god values them if a promised eternal afterlife wasn’t part of the shtick? If they had the same awareness of inevitable annihilation as we do? I’m thinking probably not. It’s permenance that most theists (and some atheists) want. I’m not sure they’d even care about a god if they knew they could have it without one. @Neo-Scholastic is welcome to jump in on this one. I’d be curious to hear his thoughts.

Well, conveniently, there have been religious people who don't believe in heaven (or in fact any non natural anything) despite believing in gods.  It appears to mean as much to them as any common muslim nut.

Correct. But that isn’t one of the choices.  The choices are exist for as long as possible and then not exist, or not exist. They seem the same to me. So, how is it irrational to simply decide to choose the second and not bother with the in-between at all?

Perhaps You're not choosing the second.?  You're settling for it in abhorrent circumstance....but only conceptually.

It doesnt actually follow, for example, that if you lived a life of pain, you should end it.