(September 2, 2021 at 2:34 pm)Nomad Wrote: That's actually only been their position since 1869 and actually runs contrary to anything in the bible, and more importantly (because souls are involved), all the writings of the church fathers on whose writings dogma is supposed to be based. Before that date the catholic position was that abortions were a-ok until ensoulment which, depending on who you talked to, happened somewhere between 40 days and 13 weeks. Yes there were catholic "intellectuals" who were totally anti-abortion but until Pius IX (he of papal infallibility and as thick as mince) took up their cause they were very much a fringe group.
Yes, I thought I had heard that until recently, the entry of the soul was considered to be when the fetus starts to kick.
