RE: The story of Noah' s Ark - or - God is dumber than you.
September 21, 2021 at 4:51 pm
(This post was last modified: September 21, 2021 at 5:14 pm by Neo-Scholastic.)
(September 20, 2021 at 1:13 pm)arewethereyet Wrote:(September 20, 2021 at 1:03 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Hope of redemption from evil Seems pretty clear to me even if the message appears to be built over a framework of oral story telling and likely incorporates cultural memory of pre-historic tragedy.
Could you flesh that out a little bit?
What seems clear to you as a believer isn't quite so clear to me.
<movie promo voice> "In a world filled with bloodshed and violence....one righteous man...inspired by God...endures years of hardship and delivers his family and innocent animals through disaster and into God's favor."
Depending on which trailer you watch, it either ends with a rainbow (the children's version) or in vineyard (the darker, grittier version).
Also, I concede that like all mythological tales Noah's ark, Adam & Eve, etc. had indeed been widely considered, even by educated people as "how it happened." At the same time, I imagine that's mostly by default since there were not really any competing accounts. Of course early explorers were eager to learn if the old stories were true scientifically and they quickly learned that they weren't. Good. Now interested people can focus on the moral of the story and not memorable particulars.
(September 21, 2021 at 12:01 pm)Ten Wrote:(September 21, 2021 at 10:47 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: In the region of half of American take the Noah's Ark story literally (it was around 60% in 2004, so progress). But let's pretend it's a fringe belief that skeptics shouldn't even bother to address, else they'll be considered to be trolling.
The 2004 poll:
https://abcnews.go.com/images/pdf/947a1V...eBible.pdf
It's just not very interesting to shut down because it IS so ridiculous, and it has some disturbing things to say about the character of God. It's one of those things where if I engage with a theist on it and we can't even get past "This story proves that your god is an immoral tyrant because drowning everyone is how he deals with disobedience; he'd rather everyone be dead and start the earth project over than allow people to have their agency and disobey him." if they're defending the story as an example of god being just and good to his creations, his children, then the "proof" parts of shutting the story down are not really going to matter. It's a story believed not because the believers are really good skeptics with a mind for scientific thinking; it's emotion.
Personally, I consider complex character motivations and challenging incongruities features that make a text more interesting and allow for multiple perspectives, your own included.
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