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God Became a Mirage

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God Became a Mirage
Edwardo Piet Away
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RE: God Became a Mirage
March 24, 2009 at 1:29 pm
If God existed he would have an effect on the universe...never mind creating it in the first place...so testing him would be within the boundaries of science - if not in practice then at least in principle.

As Dawkins says (to paraphrase): God is an existence claim...and existence claims mean scientific claims. Science studies existence.

And if God did not create - and does not have any effect on - the universe....then how is he God or how exactly does he exist anyway? If he can't even effect anything? What we are talking about wouldn't really be God if he not only wasn't intervening but he didn't create the universe in the first place....and he doesn't even exist in a physical sense either..

God is supposed to be a supernatural creator... creating the universe and intervening with it means he's within the field of science...

Even if he doesn't exist as 'part' of the universe and he's 'outside it' - if he has and/or had any effect on it whatsoever...he's still within the realms of science...

How could he be outside the universe anyway? If he created it and the universe came from him...then wouldn't he and the universe be part of the same thing? Therefore he would STILL even then also be part of the universe and his existence is still in the realm of science...?

Even if he is 'outside of' the universe...

But even if he's outside of the universe and his existence is not part of it so he's not within the field of science - if he has ANY effect on the universe and/or EVER did....(and he must do if he's God and he created it, never mind all the supposed intervening!) then he is effecting the natural universe and is part of the scientific field of study therefore.

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God Became a Mirage

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God Became a Mirage - by Edward - March 20, 2009 at 3:01 am
RE: God Became a Mirage - by leo-rcc - March 20, 2009 at 4:45 am
RE: God Became a Mirage - by Kyuuketsuki - March 20, 2009 at 5:25 am
RE: God Became a Mirage - by Edwardo Piet - March 20, 2009 at 6:34 am
RE: God Became a Mirage - by Edward - March 20, 2009 at 4:07 pm
RE: God Became a Mirage - by Edwardo Piet - March 21, 2009 at 6:12 am
RE: God Became a Mirage - by Tiberius - March 20, 2009 at 8:04 am
RE: God Became a Mirage - by Edwardo Piet - March 20, 2009 at 8:07 am
RE: God Became a Mirage - by Edward - March 20, 2009 at 3:26 pm
RE: God Became a Mirage - by leo-rcc - March 20, 2009 at 3:39 pm
RE: God Became a Mirage - by Kyuuketsuki - March 20, 2009 at 4:47 pm
RE: God Became a Mirage - by Edward - March 21, 2009 at 2:47 am
RE: God Became a Mirage - by Kyuuketsuki - March 21, 2009 at 11:17 am
RE: God Became a Mirage - by Edward - March 21, 2009 at 5:30 pm
RE: God Became a Mirage - by Demonaura - March 20, 2009 at 5:09 pm
RE: God Became a Mirage - by Demonaura - March 21, 2009 at 4:01 am
RE: God Became a Mirage - by Edward - March 21, 2009 at 4:54 pm
RE: God Became a Mirage - by leo-rcc - March 21, 2009 at 4:16 am
RE: God Became a Mirage - by Demonaura - March 21, 2009 at 5:24 am
RE: God Became a Mirage - by Edwardo Piet - March 21, 2009 at 5:27 pm
RE: God Became a Mirage - by Edward - March 22, 2009 at 3:04 pm
RE: God Became a Mirage - by Edwardo Piet - March 22, 2009 at 8:59 pm
RE: God Became a Mirage - by Tiberius - March 22, 2009 at 9:41 am
RE: God Became a Mirage - by fr0d0 - March 22, 2009 at 4:39 pm
RE: God Became a Mirage - by Kyuuketsuki - March 23, 2009 at 6:12 am
RE: God Became a Mirage - by fr0d0 - March 23, 2009 at 6:08 pm
RE: God Became a Mirage - by Kyuuketsuki - March 24, 2009 at 5:57 am
RE: God Became a Mirage - by fr0d0 - March 24, 2009 at 3:35 pm
RE: God Became a Mirage - by Kyuuketsuki - March 24, 2009 at 4:46 pm
RE: God Became a Mirage - by padraic - March 24, 2009 at 8:00 pm
RE: God Became a Mirage - by Edward - March 24, 2009 at 3:32 pm
RE: God Became a Mirage - by fr0d0 - March 24, 2009 at 3:51 pm
RE: God Became a Mirage - by Edwardo Piet - March 25, 2009 at 6:33 am
RE: God Became a Mirage - by Kyuuketsuki - March 25, 2009 at 7:59 am
RE: God Became a Mirage - by fr0d0 - March 25, 2009 at 4:43 pm
RE: God Became a Mirage - by Kyuuketsuki - March 25, 2009 at 4:59 pm
RE: God Became a Mirage - by Edwardo Piet - March 30, 2009 at 9:16 pm
RE: God Became a Mirage - by Edward - March 25, 2009 at 3:58 pm
RE: God Became a Mirage - by Edward - March 24, 2009 at 3:35 pm
RE: God Became a Mirage - by padraic - March 22, 2009 at 11:39 pm
RE: God Became a Mirage - by Edward - March 23, 2009 at 2:56 pm
RE: God Became a Mirage - by padraic - March 23, 2009 at 8:13 pm
RE: God Became a Mirage - by Demonaura - March 23, 2009 at 4:10 pm
RE: God Became a Mirage - by Edwardo Piet - March 24, 2009 at 7:39 am
RE: God Became a Mirage - by Demonaura - March 24, 2009 at 12:03 pm
RE: God Became a Mirage - by Edwardo Piet - March 24, 2009 at 1:29 pm
RE: God Became a Mirage - by fr0d0 - March 24, 2009 at 5:31 pm
RE: God Became a Mirage - by Kyuuketsuki - March 25, 2009 at 5:09 am
RE: God Became a Mirage - by Kyuuketsuki - April 2, 2009 at 6:24 am

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