(September 30, 2011 at 10:11 pm)salty Wrote: 1. Heterosexual couples can also have sex the right way, they do that other way for pleasure, homosexuals don't have a choice because their bodies don't come together like heterosexual bodies, unless they alter themselves surgically.
2. First, it answers for a reason why homosexuality is wrong. Second, if everyone was homosexual the human race would go extinct. Third, people conceive because it brings them joy, homosexual couples can and do adopt, but it's not the same as having children that resemble you and the one you love. Heterosexual couples may have that joy, but homosexual couples can never fully enjoy it because they need a sperm donor or a surrogate. Fourth, you may not have wanted children in the past, but you won't have sex with a man to get them when you do.
3. What does this question have to do with anything? I'm talking about fornication, not marriage. If an unplanned child comes into a marriage its very likely the child will be kept, there is no shame in a marriage when a child is made, only for an unmarried woman there can be shame.
Why would any child be better off with unmarried parents? What kind of example does that give a child? I love your mom enough to have a baby with her which will connect us until we die but not enough to get marry her, which will also connect us until we die. If a couple is married it's a better household because that couple is saying they are committed, if they can be committed to each other then they are probably committed to raising a child to the best of their abilities.
4. I don't have to, because I used that special word, can, which implies it's able to happen, not that it will.
5. Abortion is wrong 1) because a child cannot accept or deny an invitation into this world the sperm and egg work together to make the child grow. 2) it's murder to take a child by the legs and smash its head on a wall, it's also murder to use tools to slice a baby up and drag it out of a woman's uterus.
That last comment just shows you're frustrated. You know that morals play a big role in sexual acts.
Rhythm has already pointed this out, but your views are absolutely not secular. The fact that you can't see that all of this comes from your book is sad. So let's go through again.
1. So if people alter themselves surgically, would that be ok in your eyes? Would that make them exempt from your rules?
2. I find it fairly offensive that you would say that homosexual couples cannot fully enjoy raising a child because they require a surrogate. How dare you even say something like that? What about a heterosexual couple in which one or both of the parents have misfiring junk and so they cannot conceive naturally - would you tell them that they can't possibly enjoy or appreciate fully the raising of a child because it needed somebody else's sperm/uterus? Do you think these matters have any bearing on how much the parents love the child, or their ability to raise them? If the entire population became homosexual, then the way we view parenting etc would just shift. There would be an understanding of the need to continue the species, so more sperm donors and surrogates would be required. We've already established that there are enough homosexual couples with the desire to raise children. We would not go extinct at all, and it's stupid to suggest we would. I think what you're missing is that you think homosexuality is just about sex. Homosexual couples love each other, every bit as much as heterosexual couples do.
3. The point I was making was that you said 'fornication creates unplanned pregnancies', when they can happen just as easily in committed relationships and marriages. I can think of several reasons why it might be better for a child not to be raised in a marriage. Some married couples stay together solely because they have a kid, do you really think that's healthy for the parents or the child? A lot of marriages are miserable for one or both parties. The only reason there's stigma about this is because of people with twisted views on the subject like you, who think people should be ashamed for doing things that come as naturally to them as breathing. I think you're the one that should be ashamed.
4. Then why make the point at all? It's like saying 'marriage can lead to the husband decapitating the wife and burying her remains under the patio', then refusing to elaborate on it but still using the point to prop up the argument that marriage is bad. By making the statement you are implying there is a link between the two.
5. I don't want to turn this into an abortion thread because it's a real hot potato with lots of convincing arguments either side. Truth be told I haven't fully made my mind up on it, but it's certainly not as cut and dry as you're making it out to be.
As for that addendum, I certainly am frustrated that views like this are retarding societal progress. But more specifically, you did a really stupid thing by equating two scenarios that are not equal. Obviously our support of homosexual sex is not JUST that 'it fits'. Firstly, my understanding is that many homosexual couples don't even have penetrative sex, but anyway it's more to do with the fact that it's a private decision that has nothing to do with anyone else and involves consenting adults. By equating it to paedophilia, you've moved the goalposts in a really annoying and poorly thought out way that carries with it the implication that homosexuality is the same.
