Homosexuals and Heaven

[Erinome]

Everyone,
I think all of you interpreted the sentence I wrote about a woman feeling shame in a different way than I intended. This has to be a misunderstanding.

So many misunderstandings from apologists.

I did not mean: a woman who is unmarried and pregnant can feel shame (because I want to cast it on her through judgment).

The only reason she has to feel shameful is a psychology that comes from being abused by adults as a child who beat her over the head with scripture about a magic man in the sky who sees her natural instincts as a human being (to reproduce for the continuation of her species), as sinful.

You compile that with the judgments and scorn that come from the real people who claim to love her... you get shame.

If she had been raised in a home where there was a dialect about sex as a natural act, what is objectively appropriate/moral regarding sex, and how to protect herself from unwanted pregnancy/diseases, perhaps she wouldn't do things like murder her baby.

When I say appropriate and moral, I mean:

1. Don't rape people. ( Not even one of the ten commandments)
2. Don't have unprotected sex if you don't want a baby or diseases.

As far as when it is appropriate to start having sex, I think that's something that is different for every individual person.

I mean: a woman who is unmarried and pregnant can (has the ability to, but in some cases may not) feel shame.

Are you an enabler of shame? Undoubtedly certain.

Sorry for being unclear. (No wonder you were all jumping on me.)

We're still disgusted.

Aleia, my sister had a child when she was 15 and I was 13. I was proud of her for not aborting the baby because some people were telling her to do it, Christians among them. I'm so glad she didn't, I can't imagine my life without my nephew. I definitely said things in my ignorance that were unkind, I was selfish, but I took care of her son until I went to college, that's about 6 years. So please, don't say to me that I'm the kind of person that would judge someone involved in fornication and unplanned pregnancy.

You're a Christian. Of course you're going to judge fornicators. And of course you no longer fornicate- You're married and saved. Hallelujah.

Never again speak of me as if you know anything about me, but I will tell you this; I was involved in fornication before I married my husband. I would be the last person to judge someone who fornicates, because I did it in secret. I have no problem admitting it because if I let people think for one minute I don't remember my own past, I'm just deceiving myself. I know the old me and I'm so happy to be done with that.

I know about you what you tell me from your very own words. I can judge and feel no shame because I know it's human nature to judge.. everyone does it. Even Jesus, whether he had the right or not, judged people. Don't claim to be non-judgmental in one breath and then claim to be made in a judge's image. Hypocrisy annoys the shit out of me, and you are so mindlessly hypocritical, it's pathetic.

Please...unless I address you, stop projecting every word I say onto yourself. When people on this forum say my beliefs are wrong I don't apply it to myself. I just think "well that's how they feel about it" I know that many atheists mostly don't like religious anything and in some cases me too, but usually the former. It's not my goal to point fingers at anyone, when I speak of these sexual groups I refer to them by their names, fornicators, adulterers, etc, how do I know you're in that category unless you tell me? Please stop deciding everything I say is another way to insult you, just maybe it's to answer a question and it's not about you. Finally, stop thinking you're the only one with a worthy story, everyone has a story and every story is worthy and should be respected, because everyone has been through something difficult, for some it's big and for others it's small, but every story has shaped a person, therefore it's important.

Someone who cannot speak from personal experience, and cannot relate what a person is saying to themselves in any way, has no insight and shouldn't say shit.

Unless you address me? I am a member of the forum, just like you. Put some ice on your ego, sweetie. I do not take what you're saying as a personal attack. I take it as an attack upon humanity... something of which we are also both a member. I'd like to hear everyone's story. I hear 20 stories a day and it never gets old. I am aware that everyone has a load of shit on their plates. Where in the fuck do you get that I don't? Then you say that everyone's story has shaped them as if mine has not shaped me, or rather it has shaped me in a way that I don't care about other's story. Fuck you.

Thank you for sharing your story, aleia. I'm sorry for your loss, it was more recent than I could have imagined.

Good night.

You reek of steaming bullshit, I just want you to know that I know that.

Goodnight.