RE: Homosexuals and Heaven
October 9, 2011 at 5:52 pm
(This post was last modified: October 9, 2011 at 5:58 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Arguing from biology to morality in an absolute manner is pointless. There are no evil squirrels (despite my constant cries to the contrary) and there are no good rattlesnakes (i think this one is solid). Can we say something about how we came about this sort of concept, what use it would have and why we would see fit to pass it along? Sure. Does that make it objective, absolute, no. Why any believer would even stray down this road is beyond me. If biology serves as a guiding line for morality than what need for a transcendent lawgiver? None at all, even in a godless universe morality would be possible through biology (which is amusingly exactly what you hear from atheists on this subject day in and day out.
The disconnect here is that you're looking at "nature" the same way you approach "god", when this is the last thing you should be doing. Nature is not a god, it doesn't make lists of rules or even absolute statements of right and wrong. Taken as a whole even the easily waved away ones like causing death or harm to another person or being melt away. Without death life does not function. The kind of morality you're talking about exists in the landscape of the human mind, not the savannah.
Honestly what you're doing here is exactly what you chide others for. You want to believe that the natural world somehow collaborates the biblical narrative, this is just another one of those places that it clearly does not. You have no reason to believe this other than "the bible says so". It is what it is. Besides, since when did god need excuses from you or anyone else? Does he get his street cred from the lions and the buffalo? I think not. Might makes right. That's the biblical position. Why you feel the need to elaborate upon this is lost on yours truly.
(You, I , and every other swinging richard in the 1st world know far too much about our environment to swallow this sort of shit hook, line, and sinker. You've had to source or manufacture what appear to be a very elaborate set of justifications to make your religion seem less absurd even to yourself. This is why you claim "reason" when you have none. "Evidence", when you have none. You know that you need these things, and in their absence any explanation seems to do.)
The disconnect here is that you're looking at "nature" the same way you approach "god", when this is the last thing you should be doing. Nature is not a god, it doesn't make lists of rules or even absolute statements of right and wrong. Taken as a whole even the easily waved away ones like causing death or harm to another person or being melt away. Without death life does not function. The kind of morality you're talking about exists in the landscape of the human mind, not the savannah.
Honestly what you're doing here is exactly what you chide others for. You want to believe that the natural world somehow collaborates the biblical narrative, this is just another one of those places that it clearly does not. You have no reason to believe this other than "the bible says so". It is what it is. Besides, since when did god need excuses from you or anyone else? Does he get his street cred from the lions and the buffalo? I think not. Might makes right. That's the biblical position. Why you feel the need to elaborate upon this is lost on yours truly.
(You, I , and every other swinging richard in the 1st world know far too much about our environment to swallow this sort of shit hook, line, and sinker. You've had to source or manufacture what appear to be a very elaborate set of justifications to make your religion seem less absurd even to yourself. This is why you claim "reason" when you have none. "Evidence", when you have none. You know that you need these things, and in their absence any explanation seems to do.)
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