RE: The speed of light, stars, and YEC?
December 13, 2011 at 5:21 am
(This post was last modified: December 13, 2011 at 5:22 am by tackattack.)
(December 12, 2011 at 8:25 am)Norfolk And Chance Wrote: Why can atonement only be done with blood? Bit barbaric if you ask me, why not cucumbers?Blood atonement is a Mormon view I beleive. The Christian view is substitutionary atonement. And to answer the question I'm sure will follow that; because the wages of sin is death.
(December 12, 2011 at 8:31 am)DeistPaladin Wrote: @TackThe actual event; sure I'll try. I'm no scholar in this but here's my thoughts on it. There was a time when humanity lived in blissfull trust and peace with God's will. Something happened dogmaticaly some kind of choice or excercise of free will. Afterward there was a fundamental shift in human nature where we don't trust in God and disobey his plan. I wasn't around then so I couldn't comment from experience.
So can you describe what exactly IS the fall from grace to you?
(December 12, 2011 at 5:16 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote:Close enough to the intent Voltair. Yahweh made us with choice. People constantly try and pawn off their responsibilities for choosing and personal accountability on God, I try and not do that. He wasn't wrong in creating everything and the options. Let's do an excercise. Do you think a child can learn that fire is hot without getting burned? I believe it's possible, but unlikely as every child I've known has experienced the pain of fire. What is knowledge without experience? Do you really blame parents for every child that gets burned? What about vaccinations; aren't you introducing a virus to a child? Do you accuse the parents of making their child sick?
What if I gave you a computer that had the answers to every bit of knowledge within this universe, and told you it was only from one perspective, and that the source was outside the boundaries of what this knowledge covers, and thus unverifiable. Would you trust that knowledge? Would you trust that source? If everything is available and knowable, then
(December 12, 2011 at 10:23 pm)Voltair Wrote:
I like what you said here "Let's say it was inevitable that most of mankind would suffer eternally and let's say it was somehow out of Yahweh's control. Then Yahweh's moral choice would have been to never create man." I would say that were true if I believed in eternal torment, or that the sum of human experience wouldn't equate for a better good than the sum of it's individual experiences.
"There ought to be a term that would designate those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus, since the word 'Christian' has been largely divorced from those teachings, and so polluted by fundamentalists that it has come to connote their polar opposite: intolerance, vindictive hatred, and bigotry." -- Philip Stater, Huffington Post
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