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Political Correctness Gone Mad?
#41
RE: Political Correctness Gone Mad?
(April 28, 2009 at 11:56 am)bozo Wrote:
(April 28, 2009 at 5:51 am)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: Please point out exactly where I have done that or withdraw the fucking assertion.

I didn't think I had to go into such detail about Love Thy Neighbour, being the age you are ( a few years younger than me ). When I did, you didnt even bother to agree or disagree, just rudely stated I should have offered that detail in the first place and then you would have listened! Who the fuck do you think you are?

And only a tosser would interpret that as someone "cutting and running" ... fuckwit (and feel free to report me, you fucking deserve it)!

Kyu
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#42
RE: Political Correctness Gone Mad?
(April 28, 2009 at 12:29 pm)Tiberius Wrote:
(April 28, 2009 at 11:56 am)bozo Wrote: You do surprise me. I expected you to hotly deny my suggestion that based on the evidence to hand you are possibly a racist in denial. You don't.
Would you like to?
Erm...I was under the impression I did:

"Yet another ad hominem, and a completely baseless one."

"It's pretty pathetic."
bozo Wrote:No it's not. Adrian has his own definition of racism and labels anti-racists ( such as me ) racist.
Is that not an attack?
Firstly, I have not got my own definition of racism. Racism is the belief that certain races are superior to others. I hold no such views. Racism promotes discrimination of certain races, as well as intolerance to them. I promote equality between all races. I have nothing to gain from being a racist, and I find the position of racism to be disgusting and shameful.

Also, before you attempt to claim an "ad-hominem" on me (although you certainly like using them yourself), please note the difference between calling a group or movement "racist" and calling an individual racist. I have never called you racist, and I have never implied it of you. I call the anti-racist movement racist because all they have done is make it "ok" for some races to say certain things whilst other races cannot. I sincerely doubt a white person could let their child carry a golliwog around in public without getting harassed, but the same could not be said if the child was of black parents.

I'm advocating an either/or strategy. Either something is wrong for all or it is not wrong at all. If a black person can have a golliwog, so should the rest of us. If a black person can say "nigger" then so should the rest of us. An atheist activist last year was criticized for using the word "Negro" in a speech, and people started throwing all kinds of "racist" accusations at him, conveniently forgetting the existence of the "United Negro College Fund". Either the word "negro" is unacceptable for everyone, or it is acceptable for everyone. There is no in-between that one can logically support.

OK you claim not to be racist, so do I.
I think further debate is pointless.
Back to what the thread was originally about, political correctness, this is a quote from today's Guardian newspaper from a feature by Polly Toynbee. She is no favourite of mine but on this issue we agree:-

" The politically corect society is the civilised society, however much some may squirm at the more inelegant official circumlocution designed to avoid offence. Inelegance is better than bile. "
(April 28, 2009 at 3:58 pm)Kyuuketsuki Wrote:
(April 28, 2009 at 11:56 am)bozo Wrote:
(April 28, 2009 at 5:51 am)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: Please point out exactly where I have done that or withdraw the fucking assertion.

I didn't think I had to go into such detail about Love Thy Neighbour, being the age you are ( a few years younger than me ). When I did, you didnt even bother to agree or disagree, just rudely stated I should have offered that detail in the first place and then you would have listened! Who the fuck do you think you are?

And only a tosser would interpret that as someone "cutting and running" ... fuckwit (and feel free to report me, you fucking deserve it)!

Kyu

No need to report your philistinism...it is permanently on show.
HuhA man is born to a virgin mother, lives, dies, comes alive again and then disappears into the clouds to become his Dad. How likely is that?
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#43
RE: Political Correctness Gone Mad?
Good post Adrian; ya nailed him.(again) Cool Shades

Quote:There is no in-between that one can logically support.

Agreed. EG I've never been comfortable with idea of black people using "nigger". To me it demonstrates the Marxist idea that people reinforce their own exploitation/victimisation..
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#44
RE: Political Correctness Gone Mad?
Adrian, I've resurrected this thread due to a recent report of BNP activity. In the course of our debate in this thread around the nature of racism we discussed golliwogs. You said that a golliwog is nothing more than a " benign toy ". I, of course, disagree with that.
Anyway, just recently BNP paty members were filmed burning a golliwog while one of their candidates for ofice suggested going to " get a real one.....in town we'll find one or two! ".
I think this is a good example of the baggage that goes with the doll and why it is offensive and has been recognised as such by very many people, black and white.
HuhA man is born to a virgin mother, lives, dies, comes alive again and then disappears into the clouds to become his Dad. How likely is that?
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#45
RE: Political Correctness Gone Mad?
Oh well done, you look at a group of people who are a bunch of lunatics (even we can agree on that) and use their actions to try and support your point.

I don't care if they burnt a golliwog; they are racists, and they probably do think it accurately represents a black person. I'm not a racist, so I don't. I'm also not an idiot, so I don't. I find it a humourous looking doll, just like Barbie is a humourous looking doll (I mean, have you seen the length of her neck???).

Times change bozo, and these people are stuck in their racist past. I don't see any more racism in the golliwog than I did in the "Obama monkey" cartoon or the senator who referred to Obama as a "boy". Maybe they represented racist views at one time, but not anymore.
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#46
RE: Political Correctness Gone Mad?
(August 29, 2009 at 6:47 pm)Tiberius Wrote: Oh well done, you look at a group of people who are a bunch of lunatics (even we can agree on that) and use their actions to try and support your point.

I don't care if they burnt a golliwog; they are racists, and they probably do think it accurately represents a black person. I'm not a racist, so I don't. I'm also not an idiot, so I don't. I find it a humourous looking doll, just like Barbie is a humourous looking doll (I mean, have you seen the length of her neck???).

Times change bozo, and these people are stuck in their racist past. I don't see any more racism in the golliwog than I did in the "Obama monkey" cartoon or the senator who referred to Obama as a "boy". Maybe they represented racist views at one time, but not anymore.

They may be " lunatics " but their action actually does support my point. It wasn't a barbie they burnt, it was a golliwog. They would also deny being racist.
Times may change, but some things don't...racism being one.
HuhA man is born to a virgin mother, lives, dies, comes alive again and then disappears into the clouds to become his Dad. How likely is that?
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#47
RE: Political Correctness Gone Mad?
(April 28, 2009 at 5:52 pm)bozo Wrote:
(April 28, 2009 at 5:51 am)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: And only a tosser would interpret that as someone "cutting and running" ... fuckwit (and feel free to report me, you fucking deserve it)!

No need to report your philistinism...it is permanently on show.

I only just saw this (you shoulda left it dead and buried) ... your recent stuff justifying the thread resurrection is not even the same subject (political correctness)!

Would you mind telling me exactly why a disagreement about you claiming me as "cutting and running" and my dismissal of it makes me a PHILISTINE since the term "philistine" is used to refer to someone who has a fairly negative view of art? I'll be interested to see if you have the good grace to withdraw the assertion in that context or whether you'll start jumping through hoop after hoop in an attempt to justify the assertion.

Kyu
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#48
RE: Political Correctness Gone Mad?
(August 30, 2009 at 4:20 am)Kyuuketsuki Wrote:
(April 28, 2009 at 5:52 pm)bozo Wrote:
(April 28, 2009 at 5:51 am)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: And only a tosser would interpret that as someone "cutting and running" ... fuckwit (and feel free to report me, you fucking deserve it)!

No need to report your philistinism...it is permanently on show.

I only just saw this (you shoulda left it dead and buried) ... your recent stuff justifying the thread resurrection is not even the same subject (political correctness)!

Would you mind telling me exactly why a disagreement about you claiming me as "cutting and running" and my dismissal of it makes me a PHILISTINE since the term "philistine" is used to refer to someone who has a fairly negative view of art? I'll be interested to see if you have the good grace to withdraw the assertion in that context or whether you'll start jumping through hoop after hoop in an attempt to justify the assertion.

Kyu

I think the post is on subject because it developed into a debate about racism.
You have a point about my choice of wording. I have used philistine in the past to mean " lacking a bit of class " which is how I found your responses at the time. I accept that is not the dictionary meaning. So, I retract that word with good grace.( no hoopla )
HuhA man is born to a virgin mother, lives, dies, comes alive again and then disappears into the clouds to become his Dad. How likely is that?
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