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The Israel question.
#51
RE: The Israel question.
'Best army? Surely not. Unless they fire nukes(of which we have a few in the nato bases around our country), Turkey would easily outmatch them.'

You have a few in the NATO bases, but they are not your bases nor are they your weapons. Yes Turkey would outmatch them, but then your population is 70mil and theirs is about 7.5mil and Israel isn't outmatched by that much.

'But why? Why should we actually give a damn about the Israelis and Arabs?'

Only oil and caring about our fellow human beings.

'The arab and jew are like the kind of people that the rest of the world should distance themselves from. It's for the best.'

Oil again unfortunately.

'It's all they need right now.
Israel has only a 5 million jewish population. Not to mention that they have arabs within their own country.
What I'm saying is, that a wave attack won't even be necessary. The Jews would run away at the sight of a true, massed arab army at their gates.'

Based on what? They are quite a fiersome lot the Israelis, have you not noticed? They even fucked your oh so powerful nations flotilla without blinking. Secondly a massed Arab army, never going to happen, they are 3rd world cretins who are tribal and spend all their time fighting each other over menial inter-religious bs. A wave of Arabs would be blasted back by the 2000 jets, 3000 tanks and an unlimited supply of foreskins.

'They don't, but really, how many arabs can you kill using white phosphorus?
After some time, you're gonna crack.'

And use tactical nukes or chemical weapons, you cannot seriously think their chief nutters like Netanyahu are not capable of atrocities? They carry them out on a monthly albeit smaller scale.
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#52
RE: The Israel question.
Quote:You have a few in the NATO bases, but they are not your bases nor are they your weapons. Yes Turkey would outmatch them, but then your population is 70mil and theirs is about 7.5mil and Israel isn't outmatched by that much.
Israel is outmatched. Going to war isn't just about sending a few guys to kill eachother. It's about attrition, supply routes, economy and etc.
Like what'd happen if we'd put a blockade on Israel by sea?
They surely would not last long.
And their factories, cities and everything are quite vulnerable, and close to the sea.
Hell, they can't even train their pilots in their own territory because it's so small, it does not allow for any training at all.
Israel is nothing to be afraid of.
Quote:Only oil and caring about our fellow human beings.
They can have their oil. Our oil rests well with our own fellows(Azerbaijan, Central Asia and etc.).
Besides, you know me full well.
Quote:Oil again unfortunately.
The west already holds the lot of the middle eastern oil reserves hostage. I don't know why oil should be the driving force behind it.
Quote:Based on what? They are quite a fiersome lot the Israelis, have you not noticed? They even fucked your oh so powerful nations flotilla without blinking. Secondly a massed Arab army, never going to happen, they are 3rd world cretins who are tribal and spend all their time fighting each other over menial inter-religious bs. A wave of Arabs would be blasted back by the 2000 jets, 3000 tanks and an unlimited supply of foreskins.
Surely, they "fucked" up the flotilla alright, by landing like dumbasses into a mass of ferocious jihadists. The guys even took some of them hostage.
The jews are no more ferocious or fearsome than the next arab.
And compared to a Turk...Pfft.
A single wave of unorganized arabs, surely, let's see Gaza, it's like those swiss cheese types, full of holes.
And let's see the Israelis who advanced into Lebanon. Even though the arabs had no tanks, they beat them back.
Jews are few, and cannot afford to lose soldiers, which is the reason why they cannot win a war of attrition without foreign interference.
Quote:And use tactical nukes or chemical weapons, you cannot seriously think their chief nutters like Netanyahu are not capable of atrocities? They carry them out on a monthly albeit smaller scale.
I'm sure that no one on earth can fire any nukes anymore.
I'm also sure that Jews are excellent at calculating risks. They will not risk total destruction, as I'm sure that the day they fire a nuke, a couple of it will be fired from countries like Iran, or even Russia or China.
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#53
RE: The Israel question.
'I'm also sure that Jews are excellent at calculating risks'

Nice stereotyping.

'Russia or China.'

Their allies? Ok.
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#54
RE: The Israel question.
(December 30, 2011 at 6:41 pm)5thHorseman Wrote: 'I'm also sure that Jews are excellent at calculating risks'

Nice stereotyping.

'Russia or China.'

Their allies? Ok.

Allies?
Not so much as America.
Israel could quickly turn into another lovely proxy-war, just like Syria is today.
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#55
RE: The Israel question.
The reason why Israel won the Six Day War was that the massive Arab armies required massive logistical support.

Israel waxed every single tier of that support using their air power.

Without their logistics, the Arabs began to collapse from lack of food and ammo. The Israelis held the cards then.

If the Arabs ever want to win against Israel, they must win the air power game. If not, it's a total loss.
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#56
RE: The Israel question.
(December 30, 2011 at 7:43 pm)Moros Synackaon Wrote: The reason why Israel won the Six Day War was that the massive Arab armies required massive logistical support.

Israel waxed every single tier of that support using their air power.

Without their logistics, the Arabs began to collapse from lack of food and ammo. The Israelis held the cards then.

If the Arabs ever want to win against Israel, they must win the air power game. If not, it's a total loss.

Well, if the richer arab states would step in, they surely could.
But they are too busy getting rich, so meh.
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#57
RE: The Israel question.
(December 30, 2011 at 5:18 pm)Minimalist Wrote:
Quote:I have no idea why people think that the jews are so damn powerful or something

3,000 tanks and 2,000 aircraft will pretty much do the trick.

Not to mention the undisclosed number of (likely) nukes. Which, BTW, I would fully expect them to use if they were facing another holocaust.


(December 30, 2011 at 8:07 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote:
(December 30, 2011 at 7:43 pm)Moros Synackaon Wrote: If the Arabs ever want to win against Israel, they must win the air power game. If not, it's a total loss.

Well, if the richer arab states would step in, they surely could.
But they are too busy getting rich, so meh.

They aren't likely to do so, with the risk of involving Israel's powerful allies. The USA in particular is unlikely to sit on the sidelines if Israel faces a major invasion.

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