Hi, strongly anti religious guy here :)

[leo-rcc]

Islam is a poison, and it is spreading throughout europe far too quickly.

I find that to be kind of racist to say and paranoid acctually.

The paranoid part I can agree with, but since Islam is not a race, it cannot be racist. I know some Muslims would like it to be a race when it suits them, but that doesn't make it so.

[Giff]

Islam is a poison, and it is spreading throughout europe far too quickly.

I find that to be kind of racist to say and paranoid acctually.

The paranoid part I can agree with, but since Islam is not a race, it cannot be racist. I know some Muslims would like it to be a race when it suits them, but that doesn't make it so.

Fair enough. But it's paranoid and attacking a certain group of people.

[Bhavv]

Islam is a poison, and it is spreading throughout europe far too quickly.

I find that to be kind of racist to say and paranoid acctually.

The paranoid part I can agree with, but since Islam is not a race, it cannot be racist. I know some Muslims would like it to be a race when it suits them, but that doesn't make it so.

Fair enough. But it's paranoid and attacking a certain group of people.

It is paranoid of me to attack the religion which sentences rape victims to lashes and prison sentences?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnew...ltery.html

http://www.themuslimwoman.org/entry/rape...di-judges/

The people who actually think this is ok deserve to be shot dead on the spot. Oh hey, I suppose that all the people who condone this kind of treatment of women would be muslims anyway.

One of my cousins was beaten up by her parents for refusing to have an arranged marriage. The daughter of a shopowner where I used to buy sweets after school in my teens was drugged with the date rape pill by her parents, and carried of to an airport for a flight headed to pakistan so they could force her to marry a muslim over there. They did this because she had a white boyfriend.

I grew up in this extremist culture and have ended up hating Islam and many of its followers. You need to actually have lived or experienced their life to understand how people can so stongly oppose Islam and Muslims.

Islam does not deserve to be in Europe on in any developed country. It is not just a poison, it is a plague.

Islam is a poison, and it is spreading throughout europe far too quickly.

But I can't say that islam is more danerous then christianity.

Well, I dont think that christains punish rape victims with lashes and prison, stone people to death for leaving their religion, or refuse to allow their women to drive or study, at least not anymore anyway.

I would also urge you to read the following Website:

http://thereligionofpeace.com/

2009.04.28 (Yala, Thailand) - A 16-year-old girl is among four members of a family brutally shot to death in their home by Islamic terrorists.
2009.04.28 (Pattani, Thailand) - A Buddhist man is gunned down by Mujahideen.
2009.04.27 (Yala, Thailand) - A man watching a soccer game and Buddhist plantation worker are among five people murdered separately by Muslim gunmen.
2009.04.26 (Sultan Kudarat, Philippines) - Moro Islamists plant a bomb near a beach, killing one passerby.
2009.04.26 (Peshawar, Pakistan) - A young woman is murdered by her family for choosing a singing career against their approval.
2009.04.26 (Kirkuk, Iraq) - Islamists slit the throats of a Christian woman and her daughter-in-law.

What a wonderful religion, and peaceful muslims

But I can't say that islam is more danerous then christianity.

To further enlighten you on this subject:

“Other religions kill, too.”

The Muslim Game:

Bringing other religions down to the level of Islam is one of the most popular strategies of Muslim apologists when confronted with the spectacle of Islamic violence. Remember Timothy McVeigh, the Oklahoma City bomber? Why pick on Islam if other religions have the same problems?

The Truth:

Because they don’t.

Regardless of what his birth certificate may or may not have said, Timothy McVeigh was not a religious man (in fact, he was an atheist). At no time did he credit his deeds to religion, quote Bible verses, or claim that he killed for God.

The so-called “members of other faiths” alluded to by Muslims are nearly always just nominal members who have no active involvement. They are neither inspired by, nor do they credit religion as Muslim terrorists do, and this is what makes it a very different matter.

Islam is associated with Islamic terrorism because that is the association that the terrorists themselves choose to make.

Muslims who compare crime committed by people who happen to be nominal members of other religions to religious terror committed explicitly in the name of Islam are comparing apples to oranges.

Yes, some of the abortion clinic bombers were religious (as Muslims enjoy pointing out), but consider the scope of the problem. There were five deadly attacks over a 35 year period in the U.S. Seven people died. This is an average of one death every five years.

By contrast, Islamic terrorists staged nearly ten thousand deadly attacks in just the six years following September 11th, 2001. If one goes back to 1971, when Muslim armies in Bangladesh began the mass slaughter of Hindus, through the years of Jihad in the Sudan, Kashmir and Algeria, and the present-day Sunni-Shia violence in Iraq, the number of innocents killed in the name of Islam probably exceeds five million over this same period.

In the last six years, there have been perhaps a dozen or so religiously-inspired killings by people of all other faiths combined. No other religion produces the killing sprees that Islam does nearly every day of the year. Neither do they have verses in their holy texts that arguably support it. Nor do they have large groups across the globe dedicated to the mass murder of people who worship a different god, as the broader community of believers struggles with ambivalence and a radical clergy that supports the terror.

Muslims may like to pretend that other religions are just as subject to "misinterpretation" as is their “perfect” one, but the reality speaks of something far worse.

You can oppose my views and opinions as much as you like, but you cannot refute the facts.

I like this quote too:

This list, of over 12,000 terrorist attacks committed by Muslims since 9/11/01 (a rate of about three or four a day), is incomplete because only a small percentage of attacks were picked up by international news sources, even those resulting in multiple loss of life.

The ridiculous level of violence that Islam serves up to the world makes it impossible to compile a complete list

[Giff]

It is paranoid of me to attack the religion which sentences rape victims to lashes and prison sentences?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnew...ltery.html

http://www.themuslimwoman.org/entry/rape...di-judges/

The people who actually think this is ok deserve to be shot dead on the spot. Oh hey, I suppose that all the people who condone this kind of treatment of women would be muslims anyway.

One of my cousins was beaten up by her parents for refusing to have an arranged marriage. The daughter of a shopowner where I used to buy sweets after school in my teens was drugged with the date rape pill by her parents, and carried of to an airport for a flight headed to pakistan so they could force her to marry a muslim over there. They did this because she had a white boyfriend.

I grew up in this extremist culture and have ended up hating Islam and many of its followers. You need to actually have lived or experienced their life to understand how people can so stongly oppose Islam and Muslims.

Islam does not deserve to be in Europe on in any developed country. It is not just a poison, it is a plague.

This is not any diffrent then what other extremist and fundemntalist do in other religions. Also the muslims I know in europe is against the sharia laws, which most are. There are few that are so fundamental, sadly is it they who are seen the most because of their actions.

Arranged marriage exists in many cultures and religions like in christianity and hinduism. Islam have many fundemental follower so do catholocism and other christian. Ku Kux Klan for example is also very extreme in their point of view and regard themselves as someone who protect the "white race" as much as the christians faith. To say mulsims is the only ones who doing this is very ignorant thing to say

Well, I dont think that christains punish rape victims with lashes and prison, stone people to death for leaving their religion, or refuse to allow their women to drive or study, at least not anymore anyway.

I would also urge you to read the following Website:

http://thereligionofpeace.com/

Well they do. In brazil did a very young girl (think she was around 10 years old) become raped by a man and got pregnant. She wasn't allowed by the church to make an abortion, which some doctors did anyway. Because of this did she her family and the doctors get banned from the chuch. The rapist was stil allowed to stay.

Also the bible have many similarities as the coran. The stoning of people happen in very few countries and is very horrible thing. But this don't happen in europe or most muslim countries. Indonesia the biggest muslim country don't have this laws for an instant. You can look at hindusim and their cast system which is as horrible or christians who want to bannish homosexuals and atheists. Look at USA where in some cases where some teachers can't teach evolution without being lynched.

You can oppose my views and opinions as much as you like, but you cannot refute the facts.

I like this quote too:


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2009.04.28 (Yala, Thailand) - A 16-year-old girl is among four members of a family brutally shot to death in their home by Islamic terrorists.
2009.04.28 (Pattani, Thailand) - A Buddhist man is gunned down by Mujahideen.
2009.04.27 (Yala, Thailand) - A man watching a soccer game and Buddhist plantation worker are among five people murdered separately by Muslim gunmen.
2009.04.26 (Sultan Kudarat, Philippines) - Moro Islamists plant a bomb near a beach, killing one passerby.
2009.04.26 (Peshawar, Pakistan) - A young woman is murdered by her family for choosing a singing career against their approval.
2009.04.26 (Kirkuk, Iraq) - Islamists slit the throats of a Christian woman and her daughter-in-law.

What a wonderful religion, and peaceful muslims


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But I can't say that islam is more danerous then christianity.

To further enlighten you on this subject:


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“Other religions kill, too.”

The Muslim Game:

Bringing other religions down to the level of Islam is one of the most popular strategies of Muslim apologists when confronted with the spectacle of Islamic violence. Remember Timothy McVeigh, the Oklahoma City bomber? Why pick on Islam if other religions have the same problems?

The Truth:

Because they don’t.

Regardless of what his birth certificate may or may not have said, Timothy McVeigh was not a religious man (in fact, he was an atheist). At no time did he credit his deeds to religion, quote Bible verses, or claim that he killed for God.

The so-called “members of other faiths” alluded to by Muslims are nearly always just nominal members who have no active involvement. They are neither inspired by, nor do they credit religion as Muslim terrorists do, and this is what makes it a very different matter.

Islam is associated with Islamic terrorism because that is the association that the terrorists themselves choose to make.

Muslims who compare crime committed by people who happen to be nominal members of other religions to religious terror committed explicitly in the name of Islam are comparing apples to oranges.

Yes, some of the abortion clinic bombers were religious (as Muslims enjoy pointing out), but consider the scope of the problem. There were five deadly attacks over a 35 year period in the U.S. Seven people died. This is an average of one death every five years.

By contrast, Islamic terrorists staged nearly ten thousand deadly attacks in just the six years following September 11th, 2001. If one goes back to 1971, when Muslim armies in Bangladesh began the mass slaughter of Hindus, through the years of Jihad in the Sudan, Kashmir and Algeria, and the present-day Sunni-Shia violence in Iraq, the number of innocents killed in the name of Islam probably exceeds five million over this same period.

In the last six years, there have been perhaps a dozen or so religiously-inspired killings by people of all other faiths combined. No other religion produces the killing sprees that Islam does nearly every day of the year. Neither do they have verses in their holy texts that arguably support it. Nor do they have large groups across the globe dedicated to the mass murder of people who worship a different god, as the broader community of believers struggles with ambivalence and a radical clergy that supports the terror.

Muslims may like to pretend that other religions are just as subject to "misinterpretation" as is their “perfect” one, but the reality speaks of something far worse.

You can oppose my views and opinions as much as you like, but you cannot refute the facts.

I like this quote too:


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This list, of over 12,000 terrorist attacks committed by Muslims since 9/11/01 (a rate of about three or four a day), is incomplete because only a small percentage of attacks were picked up by international news sources, even those resulting in multiple loss of life.

The ridiculous level of violence that Islam serves up to the world makes it impossible to compile a complete list

Christain crusades are the same thing as Jihad which you also pointed out earlier. Also what about the bombings in Iraq which killed extremly much civilians? Those who did those things where christians. Isn't that same thing?

As for those who commit the terrorist bombing and claimed to do it for the muslim faith wasn't representing what all muslim think. They are small group. Like the Ku kux klan and oter extreme religious groups. Look at the terrorist bombing made by catholocis hospitals that allow abortion. Not all christians do such things or think that way.

You can't judge an entire religion by the act of what terrorists do or what small people do. I'm against religion but I don't hate religion. I dissagree with every religion that pretty much are out there. I disslkke fundemtnalist of any religion, which are those who causes most problem. But I don't judge a religion based on what some think and say.

What you point out is that all muslims are violent. Which is extremly false.

You claim that christianity and other religions haven't been iolent. Check you history and you see. Also those who killed Gandhi where hidnusit nationalist who thought that he betrayed them by allowing a muslim state. Also they started killing muslims just becaue they where on the wrong side of the border. But both of the sides was killing eachother.

Look at the war in serbia and the genocide against the muslim population. They had concentration camps similar to the ones during the WWII where they put them.

There have allways been religions wnating to kill others with other religions and that's how it is now also. Islam is not unique in that way.

As I said your being paranoid.

[Kyuuketsuki]

Giff,

It's worth pointing out that it is wrong to claim that the Iraq bombings were "Christian", sure George W is a born again and there are certainly a fair number of Milton personal who would have been but some of them would have been atheists as would some of the officers planning and ordering soldiers to do such things. TBBH I think the driving force behind the Iraq campaign was something other than religious. I would also argue that collateral damage (even though that is human) where people are hurt attacking a specific military target is more justifiable than terrorist actions that specifically target people ... I grant you the distinction is probably largely irrelevant to those who die, are hurt and lose loved ones.

It's also worth noting that the number of Islamic terrorist actions on the Religion of Peace site that Bhavv linked to, whilst seeming fairly right-wing US oriented to me, is staggering and although it does not brand all Muslims terrorists the one thing I really noticed at times like 9/11 (US) and 7/7 (UK) was the unwillingness of the majority of Muslims (some of them very young and obviously intelligent) to speak out against their actions. I know that every action is pretty much derived from a previous action and I'm not stupid enough to believe these things are initiated by those Muslims without reason but I generally believe that this kind of thing achieves nothing and proves less, that the way to change a culture is from within.

I think Bhavv's stance is wrong but I also think you and others here are generalising too much and giving the Muslim community too much credit in your responses.

Kyu

[Giff]

It's worth pointing out that it is wrong to claim that the Iraq bombings were "Christian",

Yes, correctly. I didn't acctually claim it, I was just using an example. Should perhaps correct it since it perhaps isn't relvant. However some who are muslims like Iraqis who do an attack not nessesarily do it becuase of religion. they just are muslims, same thing like the soldiers happen to be christians.

But I get you point.

However if you look beyond muslim extermism which is most prestent in some parts of the middle east can you see that Islam isn't any worse then any other religion in the world. It has much to do with power more then religion when it comes to terrorism in the middle east. Countries like Jordania, Qatar, Bahrian, indonesa all muslim countries, plus Marocko are not being violent just because they're muslims.

Often is religion used in some situation to make people do things. Those who are high up in the ranks in religious fantac groups are sometime more concerned about money and power.

[Bhavv]

This is not any diffrent then what other extremist and fundemntalist do in other religions.

Because Christians and Hindus sentence rape victims to 100's of lashes and prison sentances?

But I suppose you are right, all religions are just as bad as Islam, meaning that each religion has accounted for over 13000 killings in the last 6 years.

Well they do. In brazil did a very young girl (think she was around 10 years old) become raped by a man and got pregnant. She wasn't allowed by the church to make an abortion, which some doctors did anyway. Because of this did she her family and the doctors get banned from the chuch. The rapist was stil allowed to stay.

How does this = 200 lashes and a prison sentance? Good for her that she got banned from the Church, and I hope she and her family never went back and denounced their faith on that day

You can oppose my views and opinions as much as you like, but you cannot refute the facts.

But you havnt posted any facts, only your own personal opinions, none of which proove any other religion to be as bad as Islam is. And if you actually spelt Koran with a 'C', that just signifies how very little you likely know about the religion.

Not one single religion has ever caused as much violence as Islam has, and you refuse to educate yourself on this matter and learn the truth.

However some who are muslims like Iraqis who do an attack not nessesarily do it becuase of religion

Ummmmm, NOOO, completely incorrect!!!

Most of these Islamic terrorist attacks are done in the name of their religion and Allah, and Muslims are taught in their Mosques and Islamic schools even in Britain that the Kuffar, Christians and Jews should be killed. In the terrorist cases, the people are taken in from a young age and repetitively taught these things along with hatred towards the west and everything non muslim. They are taught that killing the kuffar in the name of their religion, INCORRECTLY taught to them as being a Jihad will get them into heaven and make them good muslims. When one of these muslims do create a suicide attack, their communities in such countries look upon them as heroes and wish to do the same thing that they just did.

No not all muslims are like this. But no Christians, Hindus or Jews are, nor have ever been the same as Islamic terror and oppression is today.

Giff, you do not appear to know anything about Islam or its teachings, please do not base your opinions on the very few good muslims that you may know who choose to practice their religion incorrectly by ommiting certain parts of the Koran, and picking and choosing whatever parts of the religion suit them best. The majority of religious people believe in 100% of their religion, and trust me when I say, you will never find out what these people are like because they wouldnt ever want to talk to you in the first place.

[Giff]

Giff, you do not appear to know anything about Islam or its teachings, please do not base your opinions on the very few good muslims that you may know who choose to practice their religion incorrectly by ommiting certain parts of the Koran, and picking and choosing whatever parts of the religion suit them best. The majority of religious people believe in 100% of their religion, and trust me when I say, you will never find out what these people are like because they wouldnt ever want to talk to you in the first place.

Seems like quite the opposite. In my town is Islam one of the most common religions and at my reasant school where probably more then 50% muslim. I haven't had any problems with any of them. "Few good muslims". It's rather a few bad muslims.

To say that some religious fanatic groups represent all muslims is very ignorant. It's same way saying that some christian fundemntalist would represent all christians in the world.

Also those how hate muslims, like som nazi like parties and such is causing more trouble then what they self claim that muslims do.

I also think your parnoia is more have to do that you have much against foreigners. since they are one of the greater foreign groups in europe make them an target for racism. If they have a job do people say they take other people jobs. If they don't, people say they are burden for society and etc.

Before muslims arrived in europe where for an example the vietnamese in norway being seen upon the same way as muslims.

By the way

You can oppose my views and opinions as much as you like, but you cannot refute the facts

] was something you self said which I quoted. You should perhaps now what you talk about before saying things.

You can't say that all the milion is terrorist, or most of them. It's ridicilous. It's like saying all swedes are blond and have sex everywhere. All american are idiots.

What about the genocide against mulism in bosnia as I mentioned. That something that you don't bring up, not the many murderes and violence towards muslims in europe. Also the arrange marriages is not very common here in europe by muslims. But when a very fmialies do then they get very much attention. Also when they kill someone for wanting to see someone outside fo the religion.

Those who are not muslims, like those in sweden have killed there own child for being hoomsexual. That number is higher then muslims killing their child for wanting to see someone whos not muslim. Also many europeans don't want their child seeing a muslim as much as muslims don't want their child seeing a european.

You take those cases taht got the most attention and say that's how all muslims do, or atelast most of them.

You don't even say which countries there from, you generalise and say that all muslims are the same. I havent heare dyou saying whether or not they are shia or sunni muslim. If the're Kurds, from Iran or africa or INdonesia or Thailand. Most terrorist organization is from Saudi Arabia och Pakistan.

It's more have to with culture then and tradition then religion. Religion is an excuse that extremist take.

Also the catholic chuch is responisble for thousand of deaths every year for not allowing condoms or abortion which kills a chockingly high number of women every year in europe that are catholics. People don't say that all the christian is as idotic as the catholics or that all christians are terroist just because what the IRA do and Ku Kux Klan, or other groups that have a religious or partly religious motive. The IRA hatred against protestants is much an political issue as religious. Since the protesatant represent the english, which they don't like, do thye attack them. Same thing as muslim terrorism groups don't like christian since they symbolises USA and europe.

But of course do muslims terrosim groups hate other rleigion since they are extrimist and fundamental. But hey also have twisted view of their own religon. Often do these groups don't get much support from there own country, that's often why they often move from country to country. Specially if they are attacking the people also.

What do you know about Islam by the way? What do you know about coran? Also what do know about terrosim groups, more then just Al Qaida? what abou Osama what do you know about him and his history? Since he have a strong conncetion so Sweden have I learned much about him and seen a side of that veru unexpeting that he once had.

[Dotard]

The last video of the woman speaking out against Islam.

Brought back memories. First time I seen that I was sitting in a hooch in Balad Iraq (Camp Anaconda) fiddling with the rabbit ears on a TV I brought off an Iraqi electronics dealer who was allowed to set up shop on base.

First thought I had was that woman has a very large set of balls. My guess was she would be killed by some fundie islamic idiots. I sincerly hope that never happened. The world needs more ballsy arabics like her.

As a side note (hopefully entertaining) I did have a Iraqi friend (worker whom I called friend as we had some fun times together) who, like me, would claim to be whatever religion had the next holiday coming up so he could get a day off frome work! One day I asked him "So, what religion are you today?" We were alone without any other Iraqis around and he said "Today I am like you, my friend, I am an Atheist."

I really think the fella was atheistic, he just couldn't say it out loud for fear of reprisals (<-sp?) once he left the safety of the base.

Hopefully I'll get sleepy soon and save you all from my prattling.


Edited to add:
Giff is right. The fundie Islamics going around blowing themselves and innocents up are a small minority of Islamics. I have personally met and talked with a great many Islamics in Iraq, Dubai, Sharza (sic), some other small city in the UAE, I forget the name atm and in Manila and Cebu in the philippines. The fundies like Osama bin and their violence promoting clerics DO NOT speak for all of Islam any more than Pat Bucannon or Robert Tilton speaks for all of Christianity.

[Giff]

Nice story Dotard, I mean it.

I remember when Iraq won the Asia/Ocenia cup in football, which I normally don't follow. I couldn't see teh championship since I didn't have the channels or the intrests. But when I heared they won, did I get really emotioanlly touched. That win meant so much for the people and their country that it emotianlly affected me quite a bit.

You don't hate people when they have a identity, a name and a history. I was a racist when I was young, but after getting to knowing people that I hate just because they where foreigner or had the "wrong" religion did I no longer hate or being hostile. Hostility and hate is a sign of fear and lack of knowledge.