Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus?

[Happy UnBeliever]

how can that be possible when it is currently a city? it's like saying the same for New York City.

How is it that it does not appear on any fourth or first century trade route maps...? How come no one ever mentions the city until that great church liar Euseibus mentions it in the 4th Century? These finds are no more than assertions by christian archeaologists to solidify a myth. Single family dwelling does not make a city.

[chi pan]

I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here....must be getting soft... but how far back into history do you think New York City goes?

i very well know that, but if you were to say New york was a just a farm not a city, then i could say no it's not it's a city today. if what your trying to say is it was just a farm in the time of jesus, how can that be deturmined? plus, i just read your source http://www.uhl.ac/NazarethVillage/nazareth.html and found that it found a farm yes, but that nazerath was not just a farm. next time read more than just titles on your source.
and i have already read the crap from jesusneverexisted about nazerath and found it is very historicaly inaccurate. if all you have for a historical reference is a biased site that give no historical sources, then you have nothing at all.
i already gave you my source- Nazareth was a village at the time of Jesus and is estimated to be settled between 900 and 600 BC. it's a historical site, not a biased one.

[SleepingDemon]

There is more evidence that Cleopatra was a real person than Jesus of Nazareth, and Cleopatra was purposefully erased from history when her brother ascended the throne.

[chi pan]

There is more evidence that Cleopatra was a real person than Jesus of Nazareth, and Cleopatra was purposefully erased from history when her brother ascended the throne.

that which is said without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. there are way more historical documents supporting the existance of Jesus than anyone who existed in his time. even athiests say this on youtube. i have posted a video containing a few historical documents supporting the existance of Jesus and there are many more. PROVE ME WRONG.

[Blam!]

that which is said without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. there are way more historical documents supporting the existance of Jesus than anyone who existed in his time. even athiests say this on youtube. i have posted a video containing a few historical documents supporting the existance of Jesus and there are many more. PROVE ME WRONG.

Troll mode initiated...
[that which is said without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. there are way more historical documents supporting the existence of Vlad Impaler than anyone who existed in his time. even naysayers say this on Youtube dot com. I have posted a video containing a few historical documents supporting the existence of vampire and there are many more. PROVE ME WRONG.]

Troll mode off...
You'll need more than just "historical documents" to confirm the existence of superstitious.

[chi pan]

You'll need more than just "historical documents" to confirm the existence of superstitious.

we are not talking about his supernatural works, we are talking about his physical existance as a man who lived in Isreal, taught many things and gathered followers, and was exicuted by the roman empire. this is even taught in history classes in our schools.

[Minimalist]

if what your trying to say is it was just a farm in the time of jesus, how can that be deturmined?

It's called archaeology and it is crystal clear that you know nothing about it.

Before NY was a city is was an Indian village in a clearing.

and i have already read the crap from jesusneverexisted about nazerath and found it is very historicaly inaccurate.

I suspect your history is as faulty as your archaeology. You believe what you want to believe and no amount of evidence will sway you because you are desperate to accept bullshit as reality.

but that nazerath was not just a farm.

Is English your first language? I'm having trouble accepting that you are really this dense. They did NOT find a village. They found a FUCKING farm. Modern re-enactors are BUILDING what they claim to be a first century village so they can entice gullible xtian morons to come to the site and spend money on phony horseshit. This is a cottage industry in the middle east and separating stupid xtians from their money is one of the few things that Palestinians and Jews agree on. If you are an example of one of jesus' followers he is welcome to you.

For the record: Josephus commanded the Jewish rebels in Galilee during the Great Revolt. He campaigned extensively across the area and cataloged the various settlements he went through trying to whip up support for the rebels. ( Sepphoris, near "Nazareth" never joined the rebellion while the other main city of Galilee, Tiberias, surrendered as soon as the Romans approached.) Josephus withdrew to the town of Jotapata which he defended in a 47 day siege. In spite of the fact that Jotapata is about 2 miles from the site of so-called Nazareth and the Roman siege lines would have practically been sitting on top of it, Josephus never mentions the place. Neither did anyone else and this was 35 years, more or less, after your alleged jesus died...forget being born.

Oh, and one more thing asshole. Your "quote" by James Madison is another fraud. You are easily fooled apparently.

http://candst.tripod.com/tnppage/misq2.htm

I will use capitals to indicate the words Barton selected to arrive at his newly created false quote:

SECTION 15, Because finally, 'the equal right of every citizen to the free exercise of his RELIGION according to the dictates of conscience' IS held by the same tenure with all his other rights. If we recur to its orgin, it is equally the gift of nature; if we weigh its importance, it cannot be less dear to us; if we consider the 'Declaration of those rights which pertain to the good people of Virginia, as THE BASIS AND FOUNDATION OF GOVERNMENT,' it is enumerated with equal solemnity, or rather studied emphasis.

Madison, in other words, was talking about individual's rights, of which the free exercise of his religion was one, as being the basis and foundation of government. He even refers to the Declaration of Rights that was part of the Virginia Constitution as his example.

[chi pan]

I suspect your history is as faulty as your archaeology. You believe what you want to believe and no amount of evidence will sway you because you are desperate to accept bullshit as reality.

give me a site that is not biased with some historical referance and i will look at it.

They did NOT find a village. They found a FUCKING farm. Modern re-enactors are BUILDING what they claim to be a first century village so they can entice gullible xtian morons to come to the site and spend money on phony horseshit. This is a cottage industry in the middle east and separating stupid xtians from their money is one of the few things that Palestinians and Jews agree on. If you are an example of one of jesus' followers he is welcome to you.

is that so? i have a source that says otherwise and here's some more. "At 20-33 AD the beginning Ministry of Jesus of Nazareth mark of the start of the Common Era. Excavations conducted in the region and remains of pottery prove a continuous settlement during the period 900-600 BCE of Jewish villages and Hellenized Syrians towns. Tzippori, the capital of the Galilee, the largest of these towns was settled until the year 18 BCE. After those years, there was a break in settlement until the year 200 BCE." -http://www.holylandnetwork.com/nazareth/nazareth.htm

"Nazareth was a small and insignificant village during the period of Jesus. While the site was settled during the period 600-900 BCE, it was too small to be included in the list of settlements of the tribe of Zebulon (Joshua 19:10-16), which mentions twelve towns and six villages." -http://www.inisrael.com/news/?p=841
why don't you take a look

Oh, and one more thing asshole. Your "quote" by James Madison is another fraud. You are easily fooled apparently.

yes, there are many athiestic sites trying to say the founding father's were athiests to try to support seperation of church and state claims. it started with a quote by thomas jefferson taken out of context in the letter he wrote to the Danbury Baptist Association. here's the actual quote "I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State." they wanted to protect the chrurch from the state, not the state from the church.

[Erinome]

There is more evidence that Cleopatra was a real person than Jesus of Nazareth, and Cleopatra was purposefully erased from history when her brother ascended the throne.

that which is said without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. there are way more historical documents supporting the existance of Jesus than anyone who existed in his time. even athiests say this on youtube. i have posted a video containing a few historical documents supporting the existance of Jesus and there are many more. PROVE ME WRONG.

All the evidence we have for Jesus is what is written in the bible, which is not considered a reliable historical document by anyone who is knowledgeable about history. Other than that insufficient source, we have ???

If I told you I had a magical leprechaun in my pocket, but he was invisible. I couldn't prove it, but how the fuck could you disprove it, and why should you have to since you're not the one making the claim?

If you care about anything but your own opinions, and being right, watch the following video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJRy3Kl_z5E

---

PS- You're a fucking idiot.

[chi pan]

All the evidence we have for Jesus is what is written in the bible, which is not considered a reliable historical document by anyone who is knowledgeable about history. Other than that insufficient source, we have ???

actually i did post a video containing a lot of historical documents that were written about Jesus during his existance. 3rd post on page 5. it's a 4 part non biased video.