Hell is theologically impossible if God is omnipotent.

[reverendjeremiah]

Chicken MIGHT be an option...if he is Church of England, of course.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNjcuZ-LiSY

[Cinjin]

I know before I even write the first word to you that you will disagree with what I say, now does that make me all knowing, not in the least.

So you're saying that your god is NOT all knowing. mmm, ok. I know a LOT of christians that would disagree with you ... but whatever.

Does that mean because of this knowledge it was pre-planned by me that you would disagree, I do not think so.

This analogy doesn't work. You do not claim to be the creator of the universe.

God knew what would happen and yet gave man freewill,

so he knew the outcome of his decision ... so now you're back to "god DOES know everything" .... which is it??? Make up your mind.

God also planned to sacrifice his Son for the redemption of man before he created, this plan was the only thing that was predestined,

So even though you just said that he "knew what would happen", now he only has one thing predetermined. That's not possible as it is a contradiction. If you know that most of mankind is going to turn down your offering, you can't pretend you don't know about it.

this is the love God has for man kind.

I'd rather do without it. It's greasy and covered with strings attached.

Yes, because of God's nature you can reject him and he will not make you believe, this is freewill.

dumbest one yet ... even the Bible says, every knee shall bow. In other words, he will indeed MAKE you believe - and then after that - burn you anyway. What a cocksucker!

Outside of choosing to believe or not is not truly freewill, it is the result of your choice.

horse shit

[Faith No More]

Hell as the price of free will is one of the worst religious arguments I have ever heard. It's akin to me turning on the stove, setting my son in front of it, and saying, "daddy says don't touch, but I won't stop you if you try." A truly compassionate father would never put his son in that situation in the first place.

[reverendjeremiah]

I know before I even write the first word to you that you will disagree with what I say, now does that make me all knowing, not in the least.

Are you a god or a mortal? I specifically pointed this out that God doesnt know like "book learning" know. He KNOWS everything as in experienced everything. If he hasnt, then he is not all knowing, all powerful, or omnipresent. Its very clear and obvious.

Does that mean because of this knowledge it was pre-planned by me that you would disagree, I do not think so.

If an all knowing God exists? Then yes. God would have known me and you would have this argument, and if he didnt want it to happen it would not have happened. He knew we would have this arguement before he created this universe, yet he created us anyways. That means we are doing EXACTLY what god wants us to do right now...well...if an all knowing god exists, of course.

God knew what would happen and yet gave man freewill,

Wait...wait wait wait. Lets just say that for the moment I am a psychic. I can see the future flawlessly. I know what will happen before it happens with great detail.

Now lets say that I see into the future and see that a little girl will get raped and murdered just down the street. It is the little girls freewill NOT to be raped and murdered. It is the rapists freewill to rape and murder.

Since I have the ability to see all of the rapists plans in detail before they happen, that means I might have the ability to thwart his malevolent plans. It depends on how much power I have. I am just a human, and not all powerful, so therefore I am not able to stop the rape and murder. The future that I saw was unchangeable by me, and I was helpless to change the temporal script of the universe.

Okay, now lets say that I am a psychic that also has a good amount of power to go against the temporal script. I can not only see the future, but I can change it as well. I am more than capable of stopping that rape and murder easily, with plenty of time to prepare in the process.

Now, you tell me... if I DONT save that child from rape and murder, even though I had more than enough ability to do so, does that make me benevolent or malevolent?

Now put me in the situation of a God. I have the owers of creation, to know everything, and to change it if I wished. If I didnt like something, I would naturally not let it happen.

Now, even if I DIDNT use my power to change everything I saw in the future, I still had the power TOO change it. I would also be the greatest authority EVER. So honestly there would be nothing outside of my will. Everything that would ever happen would be because I wished it. If i didnt wish it, it would not exist.
Therefore, if an allpowerful, allknowing, omnipresent God exists, then there is NO freewill and we are naturally doing what God WANTS us to do.

God also planned to sacrifice his Son for the redemption of man before he created, this plan was the only thing that was predestined, this is the love God has for man kind.

Bullshit. You dont even know your own Bible.

I guess we are throwing the ENTIRE book of Revelations out the window then, right?

I dont blame you...the book of revelations sucks anyways. It doesnt even make for good fiction....well, some parts of it are okay. 2 out of 5 stars for literature.

Yes, because of God's nature you can reject him and he will not make you believe, this is freewill.

If god is all powerful and all knowing he knew I would reject him before he even created Adam and Eve. He knew that people would go to their deaths rejecting him...yet he created them anyways and even created an everlasting torture for them

NOW

That means, since God went ahead and created these atheists, Muslims, etc... that means he WANTS them to reject him, and he WANTS them to die in their rejection and he WANTS them to burn for all eternity.

He knew they would reject him, yet he still created Hell.

Outside of choosing to believe or not is not truly freewill, it is the result of your choice.

You are telling me that my weak, mortal choice is stronger than an all powerful, all knowing, ever present gods choice?

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[Forsaken]

Why all this drama then? If he knew that freewill will be abused, why allow it is the first place. Millions of people are starving and suffering because of this freewill. I think your god is enjoying this show.

[reverendjeremiah]

Why all this drama then? If he knew that freewill will be abused, why allow it is the first place. Millions of people are starving and suffering because of this freewill. I think your god is enjoying this show.

If God exists, then it is quite obvious that he WANTS those millions of people to starve.

God invented starvation by requiring us to eat food.

God created the food to be difficult to get sometimes.

think of the thousands and thousands of animals that day per day just from starvation alone.

God loves starvation. If god didnt want those people to starve, he would make sure they were fed.

Hey God..how about just snapping your fingers and making humans no longer require food. That would fix it.


God also loves cancer, because he hasnt done shit to stop it.

God loves sickness and death. god even Intelligently Designed the bacteria flagellum that propells the necrotizing fasciitis into the blood stream of little baby girls so to destroy their health and eat their flesh off of their living bones.

God is love...but it is important to ask WHAT love.

God loves pestilence, tornadoes, hurricanes, tsunamis, earthquakes, disease, famine...its obvious god loves and wants these things in his creation because otherwise they WOULD NOT EXIST.

[Forsaken]

@reverendjeremiah could not have put it better.
Christians Reply: God works in mysterious ways.

[reverendjeremiah]

Pictured above: Gods handy work. Necrotizing Fasciitis was Intelligently Designed by Jesus Christ. The flagellum of this bacteria was obviously Intelligently Designed (just like behe said), and the job that it does to human flesh is a testament that God is an intelligent creator.

[Forsaken]

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Pictured above: Gods handy work. Necrotizing Fasciitis was Intelligently Designed by Jesus Christ. The flagellum of this bacteria was obviously Intelligently Designed (just like behe said), and the job that it does to human flesh is a testament that God is an intelligent creator.

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Christian's reply: Of course, there are always some factory faults.
(Remember we need to get down to the level of Christians before holding a discussion with them; way-way down)

[reverendjeremiah]

@reverendjeremiah could not have put it better.
Christians Reply: God works in mysterious ways.

Another reply I have heard before:

God made all of these things to be good, but they choose to do bad things. Freewill is Gods gift to his creation!



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