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RE: Challenge
May 9, 2009 at 1:21 pm
Could it be the understanding we have of religion is skewed and confused?
The essence of the idea of religion is sound. What have we done to it. We have used it for our own gain, greed, personal power, and control.
But that is not to say that the essesnce of what we call 'religion' isn't true. The idea is sound, it is us who use it wrongly.
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RE: Challenge
May 9, 2009 at 5:01 pm
Well, you FEEL hope, I would have thought that that would make it an emotion?
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RE: Challenge
May 9, 2009 at 5:18 pm
(This post was last modified: May 9, 2009 at 5:18 pm by fr0d0.)
I think in context hope is used as a noun there EvF.. Faith is 'the hope'.
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RE: Challenge
May 9, 2009 at 5:28 pm
'Hope' itself is something you feel yeah? Can you hope something without feeling it? I'm confused now lol.
I guess in a phrase like "There was no hope for them" I guess it's possible 'they' could be feeling[ hope and yet still 'have' no hope. Hmm.
You mean it in that sense then yeah? Or something at least similar?
Just to clarify.
I guess you can feel hope and not really 'have any' and you can also not feel any, but not be 'hopeless' at all because there is nothing hopeless about the situation, E.g you are just worrying, etc.
So hope in things not seen... How do you know that that means simply having hope in things not seen as in whether there is actually any 'hope' in the situation or not (which would depend on if the situation was hopeless or hopeful) - rather than it meaning to feel the feeling of hope for things not seen?
If I am at all close here? Are those the two senses of 'hope' or is there another here?
And if that is the context that you are speaking of? (i.e. 'hope in things not seen').
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RE: Challenge
May 9, 2009 at 6:09 pm
Saying you 'have hope in things not seen' is not at all the same as saying you 'feel an emotion of something not seen', as chatpilot is suggesting. Hope in this context means an assumption of existence, no more. Emotion is never intimated.
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RE: Challenge
May 9, 2009 at 7:12 pm
What hope as an actual entity, of something called 'hope' that actually exists in and of itself?
Well the bible can SAY and mean that sure. (if it DOES mean that).
But of course it's just a bare assertion. There is no evidence of some entity of something called 'hope' in and of itself. It's just a word and an 'idea'.
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RE: Challenge
May 11, 2009 at 12:50 pm
Nice way to weasel out of that one frodo I have to give it to you lol!!
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RE: Challenge
May 11, 2009 at 12:54 pm
And fr0d0, how can you 'have hope' in something (in this case in 'things not seen') without feeling it?
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RE: Challenge
May 11, 2009 at 5:33 pm
I hope the sun will come up tomorrow. I'm examining myself closely now to see if I give a shit.
I take it chatpilot you're giving up at this point? *waves*
