Are faith, God and love without deeds, dead?

[Aegrus]

I have no mission here, to have a mission I would need goals and I haven't set any, other than to learn.

If you truly are here to learn, then I highly doubt that you would be a christian right now. No, you are too terrified of death and the concept of hell to let it go, despite the CONSTANT barrage of evidence that is thrown at you. I just have complete doubt in you being here to learn.

What ever, I have no fear of hell and no need to fear death, I've been redeemed from both for Christ is risen.

What does "for Christ is risen" even mean?

[Drich]

Are faith, God and love without deeds, dead?

Paul took the position that salvation could be gained on faith alone. James took the position that faith without works and deeds is dead. Even if one had faith, like demons and Satan must, without works they were still going to hell.

Most have landed with James who said that faith without deeds and works was dead. This may be due to Jesus who said that we would recognize his people by their works.

Love, it would seem to me, has the same characteristic as faith. Love without works and deeds is dead. Be it love for a spouse, our children, parents or friends or even God, if we did not do works and deeds, they could not know that we love them. At the very least, we would have to tell them we love them and that falls into works and deeds.

Many believers tell me that God is love or loves us all. They always point to deeds and works that fall in the range of un-provable miracles. Most of these miracles are in the ancient past. Creation and what not. Some take it to the present and I have been told often that God can do whatever he wants with us because he made us. I discard this out of hand because I believe that if that were true, God would not also create all those things that kill us and cause us to suffer. That is not a loving act.

Love, human to human, must have ongoing deeds and works to be alive. Without these, love is dead.

Love, God to human, must also have ongoing works and deeds. If God is alive, he must and would express his love with viable and recognizable actions.

If we cannot see these acts on God’s part --- and you agree that love must be expressed somehow with works and deeds, ----does that mean that God does not love or that he is dead?

Regards
DL

I starting to see a reoccurring theme with you guys. "God doesn't love us the way we think he should therefore God can not exist."

What if for some reason you all have misunderstood the concept of "love?" What if you misunderstand the conditions of God's love? What if you misunderstand the concept that "God is love" above all else?

If you and God are not working on the same definition of "love" then how can God be expected to meet your understanding? Did you know in the Koine Greek (The original language in which the "God is Love" principle was first recorded) there are 4 very distinct words, with different meanings that in the English all translate into the word "Love?" Perhaps you should define "love," to see if you and God are even talking about the same thing.

Do you love unconditionally? or does your love have limits? What if the object of your love literally cut your throat and watched you bled out rather than sought help? where would you love be then? If you have the ability to discern who you are and are not going to love, and also put conditions on that love then why would you put a limitation on God's ability to do the same?

The bible does say "God is Love." What It does not say is our idea of Love, is God's defining Characteristic. What is Identified as His defining characteristic is what He calls Righteousness. This righteousness has Him Flood the World, Kill women and Children, Have His people conquered and enslaved and ultimately has His own Son beaten and nailed to a cross. To say "God is Love above all else, is to over look some major defining events of the bible.

God's leading attribute is not "love" but Righteousness.

Now to answer concern of the Opening Statement. God's love is made manifest in the works and deeds of those who love Him. You seem to have over looked all of what Christian Charities, and people have done for this world. Christians do not give of themselves. Christians give to God out of Love. God in turn Gives what was Given back to those who need it. Love(the biblical kind and not the obscure undefined kind) and Works do Go hand in Hand. You just need to know where and how to look.

Proverbs 3:12
For whom the LORD loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.

Seems that if any here are not familiar to what love is to your delusional God, then it is his fault as he has not deemed it fit to correct us.

As to God being love. Love does not kill those he loves and your God does much killing.

Love is as love does.

Your God of unconditional love places quite a few conditions to gain his unconditional love.

Regards
DL

God's unconditional love has nothing to do with us, God's unconditional love was before creation. If it were not, God would have never created a people that was going to disobey Him and reject Him. Would you bring home a dog that you knew would bite you every time you feed it, I think not, your love is not unconditional. Then why would God create us, His unconditional love for us allows Him to accept the disobedience of His creation, and more importantly He is able to redeem us. We however will not forgive a dog that bites us every day, so there is no redemption for the dog.
Also you said that at the every least man should tell others he loves them, and said that is works. Let me remind you, Jesus nowhere in scripture says that lip serves is work or deeds.

I don't like doing things this way for we are told if a brother sins against you you should first go to him in private.

So Ii will simply ask one question it is up to you how you wish to answer (in private or not)

Do you have book Chapter and verse that directly outlines "God's unconditional Love?" Jn 3:16 is not that verse. Why because it says "Fore who so ever..." Which is a condition of Love. So again to rephrase, Where is "the unconditional Love of God" taught in the bible?

Remember we will be needing Book Chapter and verse in a proper context. If it is not taught in contextual scripture then know what you have is a doctrine taught by man, and not God. We must reconcile what the bible says about God and change our ideas of Him to fit the picture He has given us. Not the other way around where we change God and the bible to suit the picture of God we wish to worship.

[Godscreated]

Are faith, God and love without deeds, dead?

Paul took the position that salvation could be gained on faith alone. James took the position that faith without works and deeds is dead. Even if one had faith, like demons and Satan must, without works they were still going to hell.

Most have landed with James who said that faith without deeds and works was dead. This may be due to Jesus who said that we would recognize his people by their works.

Love, it would seem to me, has the same characteristic as faith. Love without works and deeds is dead. Be it love for a spouse, our children, parents or friends or even God, if we did not do works and deeds, they could not know that we love them. At the very least, we would have to tell them we love them and that falls into works and deeds.

Many believers tell me that God is love or loves us all. They always point to deeds and works that fall in the range of un-provable miracles. Most of these miracles are in the ancient past. Creation and what not. Some take it to the present and I have been told often that God can do whatever he wants with us because he made us. I discard this out of hand because I believe that if that were true, God would not also create all those things that kill us and cause us to suffer. That is not a loving act.

Love, human to human, must have ongoing deeds and works to be alive. Without these, love is dead.

Love, God to human, must also have ongoing works and deeds. If God is alive, he must and would express his love with viable and recognizable actions.

If we cannot see these acts on God’s part --- and you agree that love must be expressed somehow with works and deeds, ----does that mean that God does not love or that he is dead?

Regards
DL

I starting to see a reoccurring theme with you guys. "God doesn't love us the way we think he should therefore God can not exist."

What if for some reason you all have misunderstood the concept of "love?" What if you misunderstand the conditions of God's love? What if you misunderstand the concept that "God is love" above all else?

If you and God are not working on the same definition of "love" then how can God be expected to meet your understanding? Did you know in the Koine Greek (The original language in which the "God is Love" principle was first recorded) there are 4 very distinct words, with different meanings that in the English all translate into the word "Love?" Perhaps you should define "love," to see if you and God are even talking about the same thing.

Do you love unconditionally? or does your love have limits? What if the object of your love literally cut your throat and watched you bled out rather than sought help? where would you love be then? If you have the ability to discern who you are and are not going to love, and also put conditions on that love then why would you put a limitation on God's ability to do the same?

The bible does say "God is Love." What It does not say is our idea of Love, is God's defining Characteristic. What is Identified as His defining characteristic is what He calls Righteousness. This righteousness has Him Flood the World, Kill women and Children, Have His people conquered and enslaved and ultimately has His own Son beaten and nailed to a cross. To say "God is Love above all else, is to over look some major defining events of the bible.

God's leading attribute is not "love" but Righteousness.

Now to answer concern of the Opening Statement. God's love is made manifest in the works and deeds of those who love Him. You seem to have over looked all of what Christian Charities, and people have done for this world. Christians do not give of themselves. Christians give to God out of Love. God in turn Gives what was Given back to those who need it. Love(the biblical kind and not the obscure undefined kind) and Works do Go hand in Hand. You just need to know where and how to look.

Proverbs 3:12
For whom the LORD loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.

Seems that if any here are not familiar to what love is to your delusional God, then it is his fault as he has not deemed it fit to correct us.

As to God being love. Love does not kill those he loves and your God does much killing.

Love is as love does.

Your God of unconditional love places quite a few conditions to gain his unconditional love.

Regards
DL

God's unconditional love has nothing to do with us, God's unconditional love was before creation. If it were not, God would have never created a people that was going to disobey Him and reject Him. Would you bring home a dog that you knew would bite you every time you feed it, I think not, your love is not unconditional. Then why would God create us, His unconditional love for us allows Him to accept the disobedience of His creation, and more importantly He is able to redeem us. We however will not forgive a dog that bites us every day, so there is no redemption for the dog.
Also you said that at the every least man should tell others he loves them, and said that is works. Let me remind you, Jesus nowhere in scripture says that lip serves is work or deeds.

I don't like doing things this way for we are told if a brother sins against you you should first go to him in private.

So Ii will simply ask one question it is up to you how you wish to answer (in private or not)

Do you have book Chapter and verse that directly outlines "God's unconditional Love?" Jn 3:16 is not that verse. Why because it says "Fore who so ever..." Which is a condition of Love. So again to rephrase, Where is "the unconditional Love of God" taught in the bible?

Remember we will be needing Book Chapter and verse in a proper context. If it is not taught in contextual scripture then know what you have is a doctrine taught by man, and not God. We must reconcile what the bible says about God and change our ideas of Him to fit the picture He has given us. Not the other way around where we change God and the bible to suit the picture of God we wish to worship.

John 3:16 is a perfect verse, it does not exclude anyone, the offer is the unconditional love of God, the acceptance is your part, freewill exclude's God from making that decision for us as you would interpret the verse.

[Epimethean]

Right, because freewill is so meaningful when you are given the choice between hellfire and damnation and the eternal symphony in D.

[Godscreated]

I have no mission here, to have a mission I would need goals and I haven't set any, other than to learn.

If you truly are here to learn, then I highly doubt that you would be a christian right now. No, you are too terrified of death and the concept of hell to let it go, despite the CONSTANT barrage of evidence that is thrown at you. I just have complete doubt in you being here to learn.

What ever, I have no fear of hell and no need to fear death, I've been redeemed from both for Christ is risen.

What does "for Christ is risen" even mean?

It means Christ is alive and well and He has my back.

[Forsaken]

It means Christ is alive and well and He has my back.

A zombie has your back? Run for your life!

[Godscreated]

It means Christ is alive and well and He has my back.

A zombie has your back? Run for your life!

I run to it.