I heard God

[Ace Otana]

Well you can keep believing whatever you want, but the truth of those words remain. It was God, and that sort of thing is frequent enough for me to know I am dealing with a personal God. If I was you I would not be so quick to hold onto your atheism. Lets just be serious for a moment and consider, It was a fairly cool way for God to save a man, as I am sure he is trying to do with you.

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The truth is that nothing supports your beliefs. In fact every peice of data analised has told a very differant story.

Nothing supports your claims and so I dismiss it. Religion is dieing and there's little point to join it.

God does not exist.

An atheist I remain.

[Ace Otana]

God does not have a devine plan that is unshakable. Every thing in this world is governed by mans choices, and time and chance happen to all.
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That's an odd thing to say. Because many christians that i've meet seem to think otherwise.

Religion is the strangest thing I've ever incountered. Theists even on the same religion can't come to an agreement. Some christians say the divine plan is a plan made by god and some say it isn't. Your religion is chaotic! What is it?

Some christians say you won't go to hell if you never knew about religion and god. Then I hear from other christians that you would go to hell even if you didn't know about it.

All I'm seeing is you and many others like you are impersonating god! You are telling others what you "Think" god wants. Your acting god and your impersonating him. If I was god, i'd be bloody mad if people started saying things like you will go to hell because god says so even though god never said that in the first place.

If god was real, I would think he'd be mightly mad at you for impersonating him. No theist can agree on everything. many christians believe many differant things that contradict other christian views.

I know a christian who is a strong believer who would be moaning at you like crazy. The thing is, none of you can agree. You bring up bible quotes but your only picking the ones that don't mention blood.

You wonder why I don't believe but the reasons are all there. Religion just doesn't make any sense.

[FutureAndAHope]

Some christians say you won't go to hell if you never knew about religion and god. Then I hear from other christians that you would go to hell even if you didn't know about it.

I have heard stories of people who have died, and during that process God speaks to them, and draws them to him self. With a simple question, will you forgive others who have wronged you. The guy I am thinking of answered yes I will forgive them. He ended up in heaven. God sent him back to share the story. He was dead 20 minutes.

I think it is fairly simple God speaks, so if he can speak he can save people himself he does not need all our ideas. Like you said he would be fairly mad at all the confusion. Personally I don't think he cares when he can do it him self. So I could make a total idiot of myself infront of you and he would just go, "so what, I can fix it".

[Ace Otana]

Some christians say you won't go to hell if you never knew about religion and god. Then I hear from other christians that you would go to hell even if you didn't know about it.

I have heard stories of people who have died, and during that process God speaks to them, and draws them to him self. With a simple question, will you forgive others who have wronged you. The guy I am thinking of answered yes I will forgive them. He ended up in heaven. God sent him back to share the story. He was dead 20 minutes.

Do you have any evidence of this? Who was this bloke, What's his name, where does he live? Is their any rational people who can support your claims? If not then I have no choice but to dismiss this story of yours as a lie.

Like I said. This is not evidence, Evidence is a detectable and studiable thing. Storys cannot be classed as evidence.

Did this bloke tell you what heaven looked like? Did you know that even when your body maybe dead but as longs as your brain functions are active you can imagine anything. So all this can just be his imagination.

I still need evidence.

[Jason Jarred]

Ace, how many times have I told you not to scare away our Christian friends with logic and critical thinking? Just nod your head, smile, and back slowly towards the door.

[birdmanislord]

God does not have a devine plan that is unshakable. Every thing in this world is governed by mans choices, and time and chance happen to all.
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That's an odd thing to say. Because many christians that i've meet seem to think otherwise.

Religion is the strangest thing I've ever incountered. Theists even on the same religion can't come to an agreement. Some christians say the divine plan is a plan made by god and some say it isn't. Your religion is chaotic! What is it?

Some christians say you won't go to hell if you never knew about religion and god. Then I hear from other christians that you would go to hell even if you didn't know about it.

All I'm seeing is you and many others like you are impersonating god! You are telling others what you "Think" god wants. Your acting god and your impersonating him. If I was god, i'd be bloody mad if people started saying things like you will go to hell because god says so even though god never said that in the first place.

If god was real, I would think he'd be mightly mad at you for impersonating him. No theist can agree on everything. many christians believe many differant things that contradict other christian views.

I know a christian who is a strong believer who would be moaning at you like crazy. The thing is, none of you can agree. You bring up bible quotes but your only picking the ones that don't mention blood.

You wonder why I don't believe but the reasons are all there. Religion just doesn't make any sense.

There's just something about paradoxical thinking (that has to be done with the 'heart') that keeps Religion alive. Ironically, a whole lot of Christians as described in the above quotes would see it just the opposite, that the fact that they agree on the basics somehow gives validity to their truth claims.

If you practice paradoxical thought, you are able to say "both contradicting things are true" and be perfectly at peace with it (like a Christian friend of mine that holds that evolution and 6-day creation are both true). At which point in the process the mind stops thinking, I don't exactly know, but I think it's right after the question.

[Ace Otana]

I should of mentioned that the big bang experiment would explain how the universe began, Which with this new data would pose a threat to religious beliefs.

I'm currently waiting for the experiment to take place so then I can see what science has to say about it.

I can't wait to study that data!

[FutureAndAHope]

You wanted more info on the guy who died for 20 minutes. This is his website, feel free to check what ever you want. http://aglimpseofeternity.org.

You guys seem to think I am unscientific in my views, I challange that you are not really seriously considering rational human beings have experiences with God. As soon as you hear of it you discredit it. You hide behind a false sense of science, as if you are the protectors of knowledge. Really you are just making up excuses not to believe true stories, which are evidence.

[Ace Otana]

You wanted more info on the guy who died for 20 minutes. This is his website, feel free to check what ever you want. http://aglimpseofeternity.org.

You guys seem to think I am unscientific in my views, I challange that you are not really seriously considering rational human beings have experiences with God. As soon as you hear of it you discredit it. You hide behind a false sense of science, as if you are the protectors of knowledge. Really you are just making up excuses not to believe true stories, which are evidence.

Looked into it and I have rational answers.

This is something that has occered to a few people. You see, he wasn't actually dead. His body wen't into a stasus like condition where the body focuses it's remaining energy to sustain it's vital bodily functions whilst making repairs to it self. During this process it is very possible that you can dream and imagine at will, since the brain is still functioning and this allows you the ability to perceive anything you desire or fear.

He wasn't actually dead, this has been already checked and dismissed by science. Sorry but it had nothing to do with god or anykind of religion. The body is capable of putting it self in standby mode for critical repairs. The thing is that this standby mode can fool some computers to think the heart has stopped.

Claims dismissed as false....sorry mate, If you told me this in the first place I would of ended the debate ages ago!

It's perfectly normal and non-superstitious.

[birdmanislord]

I challange that you are not really seriously considering rational human beings have experiences with God.

You seem to think a lot of people here weren't actual Christians before deconversion.