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Christianity and the 10 Commandments
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RE: Christianity and the 10 Commandments
Does "Thou shalt not kill" apply to God himself?
Because if so:
Drowning the world
Sodom
The Egyptian Plagues
Followers of Korah
Baal Worshipers
Ammorites

I mean, theres a whole list on rationalwiki.org. Oh and theres going to be future killings as well according to the Book of Revelation.
Someone should probably Minority Report this guy as soon as possible.
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#12
RE: Christianity and the 10 Commandments

The "Context Nazis" will soon show up to explain that you aren't reading that right.
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#13
RE: Christianity and the 10 Commandments
(February 16, 2012 at 12:29 pm)Minimalist Wrote: The "Context Nazis" will soon show up to explain that you aren't reading that right.

I'll be especially interested to hear how they defend moving the Sabbath to Sunday, thereby violating the 4th.
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#14
RE: Christianity and the 10 Commandments
(February 16, 2012 at 9:02 am)DeistPaladin Wrote:
(February 16, 2012 at 7:32 am)Zen Badger Wrote: If you took away the people there would be no institution.

...and that is our goal, after all. Smile

@GC: That's why I'm talking about what the religion itself does, according to its own teachings.

Because we are Christians we're to be perfect, by who's book.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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#15
RE: Christianity and the 10 Commandments
(February 16, 2012 at 5:35 pm)Godschild Wrote: Because we are Christians we're to be perfect, by who's book.

The Bible!

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#16
RE: Christianity and the 10 Commandments
(February 16, 2012 at 5:35 pm)Godschild Wrote:
(February 16, 2012 at 9:02 am)DeistPaladin Wrote:
(February 16, 2012 at 7:32 am)Zen Badger Wrote: If you took away the people there would be no institution.

...and that is our goal, after all. Smile

@GC: That's why I'm talking about what the religion itself does, according to its own teachings.

Because we are Christians we're to be perfect, by who's book.


Yeah, G-C. Typical xtian attitude. Why be good when our invisible friend will come along and pat us on the head and tell us we are forgiven for all of our little misdemeanors and felonies.

You've got a heavenly get out of jail free card anytime you say "sorry, pappy jesus."

What a load of horseshit.
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#17
RE: Christianity and the 10 Commandments
(February 15, 2012 at 5:03 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote:
Quote:Ex 20:14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.

CHECK

I guess you forgot about all those pedophile priests.

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#18
RE: Christianity and the 10 Commandments
God can terminate lives because He made them in the first place. They are acts of judgment. If a judge sentenced a murderer to death, would you then arrest the judge? We've violated God's law, and the punishment is death. He is not being unnecessarily malicious or cruel. He simply carried out judgment so it could be written in the Bible and we could learn from it.
(February 16, 2012 at 6:45 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote: I guess you forgot about all those pedophile priests.

Studies have shown that the percentage of priest child molesters is actually lower than the percentage of molesters in the normal population. Priest estimates run from .2% - 2% while the normal population is 1% - 5%. These are speculations of undiscovered offenders. Only 55 (.12% of) priests have been actually exposed as abusers (not just accused) while there are 705,000 registered sexual offenders in the US. It is very sad what they do, but it's also shameful of the media to cast all priests in a negative light based on so few instances.

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#19
RE: Christianity and the 10 Commandments
(February 15, 2012 at 5:03 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: Ex 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

QUESTIONABLE
Jesus is the mandatory intercessor with Yahweh (John 14:6). The "Trinity" was introduced as a way around this problem.

Scripture is a progressive revelation. The trinity is in scripture..The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are all described as being God, and co-equal to eachother. It was only the understanding of this truth which came later. It's in there, plain as day, and you can also see it in the Old Testament as well.

Quote:Ex 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image

QUESTIONABLE
Do crosses count?

This is in the context of worship, and Christians don't worship the cross.

Quote:Ex 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain

CHECK

Quote:Ex 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

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The Sabbath is on Saturday. The Christians moved it to Sunday.

The sabbath was not moved. Christians worship on the Lords day because of tradition, a tradition which was started by the apostles themselves

Revelation 1:10

I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

Often times the church as described in Acts met on sundays. This is because the Lord was resurrected on a sunday. Paul said this:

Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.

These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.

Jesus indicated that He is our sabbath rest, so the requirement to follow the Sabbath is fulfilled in Him.

Quote:Ex 20:12 Honour thy father and thy mother:

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Christianity is the bastard child of Judaism and Paganism. This maladjusted offspring has always hated both parents and sought to destroy both.

There is no paganism in Christianity, at least, as it is described in scripture. Catholicism, for example, is very pagan. Christianity does not hate judiasm; if we hated judiasm we wouldn't have the Old Testament in the bible. We have a great respect for Gods chosen people and scripture indicates they will be saved.

(February 15, 2012 at 5:03 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: Also, Jesus preached a disregard in family values in favor of worship of him.


The greatest commandment is to love the Lord thy God will all thy heart, with all thy mind, with all thy soul and with all thy strength.

The second greatest commandment is to love thy neighbor as yourself.

The entire law and prophets hangs on those commandments. We love God first, and through God, we love everyone else, including our families.

Quote:Ex 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.
Quote:Ex 20:15 Thou shalt not steal.
Quote:Ex 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
Quote:Ex 20:17 Thou shalt not covet

FAIL

What is your point here? Christians have broken all the commandments, because we're all flawed human beings. That human beings would disobey the direct commands of God is not a reflection on the words of Jesus Christ; it is actually a reinforcement of everything He said about human nature.

Quote:Ex 20:14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.

CHECK

(February 15, 2012 at 5:03 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: I'm counting this as a score of 2 out of 10.

As of now I have to say your methodology here is flawed.
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#20
RE: Christianity and the 10 Commandments
(February 16, 2012 at 6:52 pm)Undeceived Wrote: God can terminate lives because He made them in the first place. They are acts of judgment. If a judge sentenced a murderer to death, would you then arrest the judge? We've violated God's law, and the punishment is death. He is not being unnecessarily malicious or cruel. He simply carried out judgment so it could be written in the Bible and we could learn from it.
(February 16, 2012 at 6:45 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote: I guess you forgot about all those pedophile priests.

Studies have shown that the percentage of priest child molesters is actually lower than the percentage of molesters in the normal population. Priest estimates run from .2% - 2% while the normal population is 1% - 5%. These are speculations of undiscovered offenders. Only 55 (.12% of) priests have been actually exposed as abusers (not just accused) while there are 705,000 registered sexual offenders in the US. It is very sad what they do, but it's also shameful of the media to cast all priests in a negative light based on so few instances.

So few instances? Hundreds of Millions of dollars in lawsuits won around the world by those raped?

The problem though was not the pedo/priests, one should always expect a few in every group, but the response from the church when they knew what the pedo/priests were doing.

The Church PROTECTED them! And sent them to new parishes in different states, sometimes different countries, to molest anew. The US gov should have used the same tools used busting international crime rings, but cowardly enough, did not.

Get real! The Catholic Church is an international crime organization.
When we remember we are all mad, the mysteries disappear and life stands explained.
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