You Are Going To Hell If You....

[Godscreated]

Yes, if you do not know Christ as your savior. No matter how bad or how good one may be without Christ as your savior hell is the last stop.

That's a lie Godschild.

Jesus himself said on his way out, "Father forgive them for they know not what they do".

Thus clearly it's Jesus' position that people should be automatically forgiven if they merely are not aware that what they are doing is wrong.

So whoever taught you that you need "Christ" as your savior lied to you.

Clearly Jesus himself does not support that view.

Jesus also said that he did not come to judge the world but to save it.

He also taught that he will not judge anyone for not believing in him or his words.

He also said that he did not come for the righteous as the righteous do not need to be 'saved' for they are already righteous.

So the only people who need to be 'saved' are the evil Christians who continually tell lies about what Jesus even stood for.

The rest of us are automatically saved according to Jesus' own words.

And surely you're not going to challenge the words of Jesus?

Showing your ignorance of the scriptures I see, try this one, Jesus said, "no one comes to the Father except through Me."
I see also that you can not see sarcasm in scripture either. Improve your understanding of scripture by studying it, then come back and make your argument.

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How do you know there is nothing after one dies.

Because superstitious fools insists that there is.

Min there you go again spouting off without actually answering questions. Can you manage to answer the questions I posed.

[Abracadabra]

Showing your ignorance of the scriptures I see, try this one, Jesus said, "no one comes to the Father except through Me."
I see also that you can not see sarcasm in scripture either. Improve your understanding of scripture by studying it, then come back and make your

All you're doing is showing your ignorance and desire to make Jesus out to be a mean uncaring monster.

So what if Jesus said, "no one comes to the Father except through me"?

What's that supposed to prove?

He later then said, "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do".

So evidently Jesus forgives people for not being fully aware of what they are doing.

He can do that, and still remain "the only way" to get to the Father.

There's no conflict there.

Jesus can forgive anyone in any way that he sees fit. Including forgiving people for not knowing what they are doing. And including accepting that some people are indeed already righteous.

Besides, who are you to accuse Jesus of being "sarcastic"?

Why should anyone accept your personal need to make Jesus into an unforgiving hateful monster, when it's crystal clear from many things that Jesus said, that he is more than willing to forgive just about anyone for anything.

Just look at who he forgave. People were mocking him, beating him physically and nailing him a pole in person, and he forgave them.

So now you're trying to spread shit around that Jesus won't forgive people today for merely not believing in your hateful interpretations of his words.

How arrogant is that of you to decide who Jesus will forgive or not forgive?

This is the problem with so many egotistical Christians. They get it in their heads that they speak for Jesus and will decide for everyone else who Jesus will forgive and who he will cast into hell.

You should be extremely ashamed of yourself for taking such a stance.

It's crystal clear to me that Jesus was extremely easy-going and was more than prepared to forgive just about everyone, even those who crucified him.

You'd really need to do something horribly wrong knowingly with absolute premeditated malice before Jesus would condemn you.

It's crystal clear that Jesus came to save the world not to judge it.

Yet here you are attempting to argue for a hateful Jesus.

What a shame.

Why are Christians so hell-bent on demanding that Jesus is a cold-blooded heartless monster?

That's not the picture I see. I see a very loving man who didn't want to judge anyone and who was willing to forgive everyone for just about anything, even if they didn't ask for forgiveness (just like the people who crucified him whom he clearly forgave).

Why is it so important to you to make Jesus out to be such a hateful monster?

What's up with that?

Evidently that's the only way the Christian cult can survive.

If you allow Jesus to actually forgive decent people who don't buy into the cult, then your cult dies.

So you need a "hateful" Jesus just to keep the cult afloat.

And that's what makes the cult so utterly disgusting.

Christian hatred sustained through a hateful image of Jesus.

What a disgusting religion.

[Godscreated]

Showing your ignorance of the scriptures I see, try this one, Jesus said, "no one comes to the Father except through Me."
I see also that you can not see sarcasm in scripture either. Improve your understanding of scripture by studying it, then come back and make your

All you're doing is showing your ignorance and desire to make Jesus out to be a mean uncaring monster.

So what if Jesus said, "no one comes to the Father except through me"?

What's that supposed to prove?

He later then said, "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do".

So evidently Jesus forgives people for not being fully aware of what they are doing.

He can do that, and still remain "the only way" to get to the Father.

There's no conflict there.

Jesus can forgive anyone in any way that he sees fit. Including forgiving people for not knowing what they are doing. And including accepting that some people are indeed already righteous.

Besides, who are you to accuse Jesus of being "sarcastic"?

Why should anyone accept your personal need to make Jesus into an unforgiving hateful monster, when it's crystal clear from many things that Jesus said, that he is more than willing to forgive just about anyone for anything.

Just look at who he forgave. People were mocking him, beating him physically and nailing him a pole in person, and he forgave them.

So now you're trying to spread shit around that Jesus won't forgive people today for merely not believing in your hateful interpretations of his words.

How arrogant is that of you to decide who Jesus will forgive or not forgive?

This is the problem with so many egotistical Christians. They get it in their heads that they speak for Jesus and will decide for everyone else who Jesus will forgive and who he will cast into hell.

You should be extremely ashamed of yourself for taking such a stance.

It's crystal clear to me that Jesus was extremely easy-going and was more than prepared to forgive just about everyone, even those who crucified him.

You'd really need to do something horribly wrong knowingly with absolute premeditated malice before Jesus would condemn you.

It's crystal clear that Jesus came to save the world not to judge it.

Yet here you are attempting to argue for a hateful Jesus.

What a shame.

Why are Christians so hell-bent on demanding that Jesus is a cold-blooded heartless monster?

That's not the picture I see. I see a very loving man who didn't want to judge anyone and who was willing to forgive everyone for just about anything, even if they didn't ask for forgiveness (just like the people who crucified him whom he clearly forgave).

Why is it so important to you to make Jesus out to be such a hateful monster?

What's up with that?

Evidently that's the only way the Christian cult can survive.

If you allow Jesus to actually forgive decent people who don't buy into the cult, then your cult dies.

So you need a "hateful" Jesus just to keep the cult afloat.

And that's what makes the cult so utterly disgusting.

Christian hatred sustained through a hateful image of Jesus.

What a disgusting religion.

Jesus was speaking of the Roman soldiers, why, because they had no idea who He was, Christ asked the Father to forgive them of this act, not of all the sins in their lives. Jesus loved me enough to die on my behalf and I love Him because He first loved me. I have never portrayed Christ as hateful, you are the one who is distorting who He is. Christ forgives those who accept Him as their savior, there is no other way under heaven to receive forgiveness of your sins, try all you want it will not happen. The true culprits in Christ's crucifixion was the Jewish leaders of that time and Christ did not ask the Father to forgive them. To end this conversation, you are quite delusional.

[Minimalist]

Can you manage to answer the questions I posed.

You have never yet produced a single piece of evidence that your delusions are real.

Why must I refute them? Hell is the creation of morons who think their god needs a place to punish all his failures. It is up to you who have dreamed it up to prove that it is something more than an example of your own fantasies.

[5thHorseman]

* cross-breed animals. [Lev. 19:19]

So i've fucked a few pigs, I was drunk, so was she to be fair.

* grow two different plants in your garden. [Lev. 19:19]

They're my dad's plants...... honest.

* wear a cotton-polyester blend T-Shirt. [Lev. 19:19]

Damn, my fashion faux pas has been revealed.

* cut your hair. [Lev. 19:27]

Does is count if you pay an Italian dude to do it?

* trim your beard. [Lev. 19:27]

Jesus, the partnerwoman(yeh im not married, 8 years, 2 kids whos asking?) whinges if i dont shave ffs, all i want is a Rhythym manbirdnestface.

* are tatooed. [Lev. 19:28]

4 tattoos, 1 leg, 1 forearm, both of tops of arms from top of shoulder to just above elbow.

* bear a grudge. [Lev. 19:17]

I hate bears.

* collect interest on a loan. [Ex. 22:24]

Shove Islamic banking up your ring.

* insult a leader. [Ex. 22:27]

Fuck you banker bitch Obama.

* mistreat a foreigner. [Ex. 22:21, 23:9]

Fuck you FrankieJ you Scottish turd!!

* spread false rumors. [Ex. 23:1]

TIBERIUS IS A RACIST!!!!

* drive a Mercury. [Ex. 23:13]

Is that a really old Ford?

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TLDR: I'm royally boned.

[Abracadabra]

Jesus was speaking of the Roman soldiers, why, because they had no idea who He was, Christ asked the Father to forgive them of this act, not of all the sins in their lives.

That's totally irrelevant. He still forgave them for not knowing who he was. Thus it's ok to not believe that Jesus was God.

If he would forgive the Roman soldiers for that then he would surely forgive modern day non-believers just as easily on the very same grounds.

Jesus loved me enough to die on my behalf and I love Him because He first loved me. I have never portrayed Christ as hateful, you are the one who is distorting who He is.

Sure you did. You stated clearly in this very thread the following:

Yes, if you do not know Christ as your savior. No matter how bad or how good one may be without Christ as your savior hell is the last stop.

You have proclaimed right there that anyone who does not know Jesus as "the Christ" is bound for hell, no matter how good they might be.

So you are demanding that Jesus be a "Hateful Christ".

You are demanding who Jesus will and will not accept into his heavenly kingdom. And you are demanding this in spite of the fact that the bible clearly shows that Jesus was not like that at all.

So you are the one who is creating a "Hateful Christ" in Jesus.

Christ forgives those who accept Him as their savior, there is no other way under heaven to receive forgiveness of your sins, try all you want it will not happen.

You're telling lies about Jesus that cannot be supported by the Bible.

Clearly you can spit in Jesus' face, mock him, beat him to a pulp, and nail him to a pole and he will gladly forgive if you simply don't understand what you are doing.

We know that this is true for the bible tells us so.

Jesus forgave the men who crucified him based on Jesus' belief that they were not fully aware of what they were doing.

So to simply not understand, or to simply not believe that what you are doing is wrong, is sufficient reason to be forgiven.

This cannot be denied in the face of this biblical story.

The true culprits in Christ's crucifixion was the Jewish leaders of that time and Christ did not ask the Father to forgive them. To end this conversation, you are quite delusional.

No, Jesus would have had to forgive them too, on precisely the same grounds that he forgave the Roman Soldiers.

The Pharisees certainly didn't 'know' that Jesus was God. They too had to be acting on the assumption that he was indeed nothing more than a blasphemer. So they would not have known what they had done either, if Jesus truly was the son of God.

In fact, this is precisely why this hole fairy-tale can't even be made to work in the first place. Everything would necessarily need to be based on faith-based beliefs. And therefore anyone who simply didn't believe it would be immune to punishment or condemnation based on that simple fact alone. Because clearly Jesus has given everyone a full pardon who simply does not understand fully what they are doing.

And all judgment has been committed to Jesus by the Father.

So it's not required by Jesus that anyone believe in him on pure faith, or seek him out as their 'savior'. That's clearly no a requirement that Jesus demands of people.

You can mock him, beat him, and even nail him to a pole. If you honestly believe that he's not God, then he won't hold that against you.

We have no choice but accept that this is the case because the bible tells us so.

You are the one who is delusional if you think that you can continue to hold up Jesus as a "Hateful Christ" who demands to be recognized and worshiped lest he'll condemn people to hell.

Because clearly Jesus himself dose not support mentality according to these very scriptures.

You'd have to call Jesus a liar to maintain your position.

So you're the one who's delusional about your own hateful version of the religion.

Jesus does not support your position. For the Bible tells us so.

[Whateverist]

Yes, if you do not know Christ as your savior. No matter how bad or how good one may be without Christ as your savior hell is the last stop.

I'd say "hell" is a state of mind you enter while you are alive if you believe in such voodoo and worry over it. Once you're dead, there is no mind and no place to experience anything at all. Heaven and hell, like karma, are instant or nothing at all.

I do not worry about hell, nor do I worry about my beliefs. How do you know there is nothing after one dies. Do you have proof there is no spirit, heaven and hell, remember because you have no physical evidence they exist, does not mean they do not exist. Two hundred years ago no one had any proof the galaxies existed, now we know there are billions.

Sorry I have no positive proof that there is no spirit, heaven or hell. I am 100% agnostic so I concede the point. However, I am also 100% atheist because I can conceive of no manner in which the phenomena of consciousness that arises in our brains could possibly exist in any other manner. I'm convinced that there will nothing after death except reassignment of my organic molecules to other life forms. Many of my beliefs arise without objective evidence. So far, no beliefs in gods though.

[MrSkeptic]

That's what's always troubled me about this whole forgiveness shit. You can take the most upstanding, decent person in the world who puts every minute of his/her life into helping people and really making a difference to peoples lives. But because he/she doesn't believe in Jesus they are condemned to eternity of suffering. On the other hand you can take the most revolving, nasty person in the world who lies, cheats, steals their way through life, who never gives a single thought for anyone but themselves. But because they believe in Jesus and say the words "i'm sorry" they get rewarded with eternity in paradise.

Fucked up or what?!

[Minimalist]

On the other hand you can take the most revolving, nasty person in the world who lies, cheats, steals their way through life, who never gives a single thought for anyone but themselves.

Yeah...let's call him Herr Von Popenfuhrer.

[Godscreated]

Yes, if you do not know Christ as your savior. No matter how bad or how good one may be without Christ as your savior hell is the last stop.

I'd say "hell" is a state of mind you enter while you are alive if you believe in such voodoo and worry over it. Once you're dead, there is no mind and no place to experience anything at all. Heaven and hell, like karma, are instant or nothing at all.

I do not worry about hell, nor do I worry about my beliefs. How do you know there is nothing after one dies. Do you have proof there is no spirit, heaven and hell, remember because you have no physical evidence they exist, does not mean they do not exist. Two hundred years ago no one had any proof the galaxies existed, now we know there are billions.

Sorry I have no positive proof that there is no spirit, heaven or hell. I am 100% agnostic so I concede the point. However, I am also 100% atheist because I can conceive of no manner in which the phenomena of consciousness that arises in our brains could possibly exist in any other manner. I'm convinced that there will nothing after death except reassignment of my organic molecules to other life forms. Many of my beliefs arise without objective evidence. So far, no beliefs in gods though.

Thanks for you honesty.

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That's what's always troubled me about this whole forgiveness shit. You can take the most upstanding, decent person in the world who puts every minute of his/her life into helping people and really making a difference to peoples lives. But because he/she doesn't believe in Jesus they are condemned to eternity of suffering. On the other hand you can take the most revolving, nasty person in the world who lies, cheats, steals their way through life, who never gives a single thought for anyone but themselves. But because they believe in Jesus and say the words "i'm sorry" they get rewarded with eternity in paradise.

Fucked up or what?!

You have a misconception about christianity.

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@ Abracadabra, you have the most warped mind of anyone I've ever talked with, your responses are childish repeats with no good argument or reasoning.