Top 10 Reasons Morality and Piety are Separate

[DeistPaladin]

[kılıç_mehmet]

Well, they are not for the people who are pious.
They do not part their moral values apart from religious values.
You do. But at the end, you are all subject to a law. Laws are changing with public demand. Religious dogma, for the most part, does not.
You can ignore it, you can choose not to follow it, but you cannot change it at will, as you'd be messing with God's word.
Laws, for the most part, determine our morality today, in my opinion.

[Zen Badger]

I always wonder when the theists claim they derive their morality from their bible/quaran.

But when you point to a rather nasty part of their book they'll say"Oh no, that's a metaphor"

Where then do they derive the ability to make a judgement on whether this part is a metaphor?

Clearly then their book is not the source of their morality.

[DeistPaladin]

Laws are changing with public demand. Religious dogma, for the most part, does not.
You can ignore it, you can choose not to follow it, but you cannot change it at will, as you'd be messing with God's word.

Actually, religious laws change all the time. Christianity created an entire "New" Testament and claimed some of the "old laws" have been "fulfilled". Mormonism came out with a 3rd Testament. Islam has had only one book but how it is practiced and how its laws are interpreted vary from one country to another. Since Jesus and Muhammad never come down from Heaven to explain to us how the laws are to be interpreted and enforced, the way these religions are practiced will vary depending on whoever is at the microphone at the time.

[Voltair]

To say that most of our morality is based solely off what is the law is possible. However I would say that would include most Christian's morality as well to be fair there are many Christian's whose moral values don't emulate their religious claims.

However I know that for myself and others I do not do certain things NOT becuase they are illegal but because I think they cause unnecessary harm. I can strive/desire to act in such a way to try and make my life and others better. I don't need a cosmic being to tell me that something has value to recognize the value in of itself.

I choose not to lie for the most part because I see the value in honesty. It is not because there is a law, that God told me so, etc. I agree though a lot of people don't have a complicated morality. People also need a better education and need to be taught critical thinking skills. There are a lot of moral values that are very rational to live out.

Reciprocal Altruism is a neat idea I think.

[Freedom]

If Christianity was really true, then the world would see a marked moral difference between Christians and non-Christians. Christians would be literally superhuman because they would have the holy spirit as guide. This is not the case. The "holy spirit" is a farce.

[The Grand Nudger]

Which is precisely why they made the refinement "we are all fallen". They can smell bullshit the same as you, the difference here is that when they smell it, they cover it up, rather than throw it away. They have no choice, because they've been pointing to a pile of bullshit for far too long saying "this is god". They've become servants to their own deceit, which is what always happens, and why we have that fun little quip about tangled webs.