A Blunt way to fuck Americans.

[reverendjeremiah]

No argument here. Just being pedantic, I guess.

..but worthy of being mentioned. In no way am I trying to dis-respect you or anything. Its just on the surface the citizens united ruling might seem equal, but once you get into the thick of it you will easily see how it is a rulling that will help the corporations the most, seeing that many other laws on the state level also help corporations and place burdons on people coming together for labor reasons.

A casual tour through legislations will show that it is a-okay to come together in order to profit as a corporation, but are burdoned to come together to protect the common man and worker.

[Autumnlicious]

However, unions have a very strong tendency to support Democrats, while corporations are nearly evenly divided; which is why you don't have the Republicans getting 85% of the campaign money.

Maybe because Democratic lawmakers in the latter part of this century espouse similar enough politics to the lawmakers who helped Unions survive Big Business in the beginning?

Really, you boggle me with uncritical statements sometimes.

It's all in the history for things like Unions. I suggest you read up on them in America -- a great many workers lost their livelihoods or died due to mining company actions, like using the Pinkerton Detective Agency to harass, intimidate, murder and suppress.

[reverendjeremiah]

I see Moros is pretty much up to date on his knowledge of labor history.

Mister Agenda. Please look up the "Haymarket affair". It would be a good starting point for you. Wikipedia is good enough for now, for what it is worth, to give you a good start on labor history.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haymarket_affair

It will also give you some clarity on my anarcho-syndicate leanings.

[Mister Agenda]

However, unions have a very strong tendency to support Democrats, while corporations are nearly evenly divided; which is why you don't have the Republicans getting 85% of the campaign money.

Maybe because Democratic lawmakers in the latter part of this century espouse similar enough politics to the lawmakers who helped Unions survive Big Business in the beginning?

Really, you boggle me with uncritical statements sometimes.

It's all in the history for things like Unions. I suggest you read up on them in America -- a great many workers lost their livelihoods or died due to mining company actions, like using the Pinkerton Detective Agency to harass, intimidate, murder and suppress.

Clearly, my statements indicate that I'm against unions and unfamiliar with how the law was stacked against them in the early days. That's news to me.

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Or how it's still stacked against them in some ways, I should add.

[reverendjeremiah]

Clearly, my statements indicate that I'm against unions and unfamiliar with how the law was stacked against them in the early days. That's news to me.

..and over the last 4 decades the laws have been stacking AGAIN against unions. Its one thing if people do not wish to join them, its completely different when the corporations pay off politicians to unbalance the playing field.

Many corporations would love a return to the labor ways of the 19th century and earlier.

[The Grand Nudger]

As an update to what became of my email to my wonderful senator, Rand Paul. I received an email from his office today (apparently I'm now on his mailing list) informing me of all the wonderful work he is doing to beat back the fucking heathens engaged in the war on christ. No mention of anything I initiated contact about whatsoever.

[reverendjeremiah]

corporations in the 19th century would hire employees. They would create certain rules to entrap their employees. Such as "employees are not allowed to leave company property for the duration of the contract". So they would be mining coal or some other ore, or cutting trees. The employees were now forced to remain on company land or forfeit their job.

They were now economically trapped. This can be abused to create a work force worse than slavery. Let me show you:

Employees were unable to go into town to buy provisions. They would have to go to the "company bank" and exchange most of their paycheck for company cash. Usually being charged 25% exchange fee. then rent for the space you placed your tent was to be paid, and all food was to only be purchased at company stores greatly market up and only company money was accepted in these stores. As I said before, leaving company grounds was cause for immediate termination. The company banks were very quick in offering their employees a line of credit. Eventually most of the employees were forced to work just to pay off the credit they owed to the corporate bank.

If the corporation balanced their bank correctly, they would have successfully made back their pay to the employees through their stores and banks. The typical worker would walk off of the work contract OWING money to the corporation at inflated interest rates.

These are the things that Theodore Roosevelt stopped once in office.

[The Grand Nudger]

The above being the reason I don't mind being called a redneck. The below being what happens when we allow this sort of shit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redneck

The Ludlow Massacre was an attack by the Colorado National Guard on a tent colony of 1200 striking coal miners and their families at Ludlow, Colorado on April 20, 1914.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludlow_Massacre

The Paint Creek-Cabin Creek strike of 1912 was a confrontation between striking coal miners and coal operators in Kanawha County, West Virginia, centered around the area enclosed by two streams, Paint Creek and Cabin Creek.
The strike lasted from April 18, 1912 through July 1913. After the confrontation, Fred Stanton, a banker, estimated that the strike and ensuing violence cost $100,000,000. The confrontation directly caused perhaps fifty violent deaths[1], as well as many more deaths indirectly caused by starvation and malnutrition among the striking miners. In the number of casualties it counts among the worst conflicts in American labor union history.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paint_Creek...ke_of_1912

The Battle of Matewan (also known as the Matewan Massacre) was a shootout in the town of Matewan, West Virginia in Mingo County on May 19, 1920 between local miners and the Baldwin-Felts Detective Agency.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Matewan

The Battle of Blair Mountain was one of the largest civil uprisings in United States history and the largest armed insurrection since the American Civil War.[1] For five days in late August and early September 1921, in Logan County, West Virginia, between 10,000 and 15,000 coal miners confronted an army of 30,000 police and strikebreakers backed by coal operators during an attempt by the miners to unionize the southwestern West Virginia coalfields. The battle ended after approximately one million rounds were fired,[2] and the United States Army intervened by presidential order.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Blair_Mountain

But fuck it, who needs labor laws, what's the worst that can happen? It's not like employers might take advantage of us or anything.

[reverendjeremiah]

Rythm's got it down. Thats why I look like this:



When someone speaks of the wonders of the "invisible hand" of the completely deregulated free market. In reality that "hand" is the top corporations choking the rest of the citizens.

How can you get filthy fucking rich without depriving others of their livelyhood?

[Minimalist]

It would be the same as saying "white people can put up whites only signs on their businesses, but to keep it fair blacks can put up blacks only signs" when whites make up 80% and blacks make up 10%

And, of course, the republibertarianeo-conazis are fine with that, Rev!