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Religious indoctrination of children
#61
RE: Religious indoctrination of children
(March 14, 2012 at 5:18 pm)One King Wrote: The Bible says that children need discipline and training. Our finest and most intellectual men on the planet are always men of God.

It's not indoctrination when you're teaching the love of the almighty Creator.

ROFLOL

It is indoctrination you fool.


Hume
Descartes
Spinoza
Marx
Russell
Sartre
Foucault
Chomsky

Sartre and Russell could both lay claim to finest Philosopher of the 20th century. The others, bar Chomsky were the finest of their generations too, in deeply religious times at that! Quite a feat, wouldn't you agree?

Darwin
Einstein
Schrodinger
Oppenheimer
Bohr
Hawking
Feynman
Susskind.

Are you now seeing how your weak claim fails? The 2 most important scientists of the last 300 years were atheists.

I would go as far as saying that had Newton been alive today, he too would be an atheist.
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#62
RE: Religious indoctrination of children
Newton an atheist? The guy that most likely died a virgin? Isn't the whole point of being an atheist so you can have lots of dirty sex without God looking over your shoulder?
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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#63
RE: Religious indoctrination of children
(March 25, 2012 at 11:15 am)tobie Wrote:
(March 25, 2012 at 11:11 am)Insanity x Wrote: Its very rare for me to feel this disgusted. But when people genuinely think that the assault of children is a good thing I feel sick.

Well what would you expect from a religion preached by paedophiles?

That read a book that has Genesis in it which has been called a textbook for incest. Remember the GIGO principle? You know the one - Garbage in, garbage out - what did you expect?
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#64
RE: Religious indoctrination of children
(March 25, 2012 at 10:58 am)Insanity x Wrote:
(March 25, 2012 at 4:46 am)Godschild Wrote: Deuteronomy 21:18-21 is not about small children, a son in those days was considered a man by his middle teens, this is a verse about adults children having no respect for the family and trying to tear down the family name. In those days the family name meant everything to all people and to disrespect it was a extremely bad thing to do. If you can't study scriptures at least study history.
And thats what you consider justification? What the fuck? How could anybody respect such a disgusting book.

Yes that happened in the past but thats why we move on. Now throw out the fucking bible and move on.

(March 25, 2012 at 4:46 am)Godschild Wrote: Proverbs 23:13-14 the word beat has a literal translation of "smite" which means to strike and as the passage states one is not to beat the child to death. I received several whippings as a child, and I can assure you, if it had not be for that punishment, that I now know was done because I was loved, I would have been in trouble all my life. So if it has done no other any good it did for me, and I'm glad to have grown up to be a responsible adult.
Okay so as long as they don't die its all good? Thats completely fucked up. Once again archaic book with archaic morals.. Disgusting.

You should grow-up and become a responsible adult, here's for hoping.
(March 25, 2012 at 4:31 pm)Faith No More Wrote:
Godschild Wrote:I received several whippings as a child, and I can assure you, if it had not be for that punishment, that I now know was done because I was loved, I would have been in trouble all my life.

This is a sad indictment of your parent's parenting skills and your character.

You have no idea what my parents were like, your disrespect for others shows how badly you listened to your parents. I'm grateful for my parents and their wonderful parenting abilities.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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#65
RE: Religious indoctrination of children
(March 26, 2012 at 2:49 am)Godschild Wrote: You have no idea what my parents were like, your disrespect for others shows how badly you listened to your parents. I'm grateful for my parents and their wonderful parenting abilities.

Nah, if they were wonderful parents, they would have aborted you at age 10.
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#66
RE: Religious indoctrination of children
You are in no position to critique anyone's parents G-C. From our perspective yours did you a great disservice. End of story.
"The Universe is run by the complex interweaving of three elements: energy, matter, and enlightened self-interest." G'Kar-B5
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#67
RE: Religious indoctrination of children
(March 26, 2012 at 2:49 am)Godschild Wrote:
(March 25, 2012 at 10:58 am)Insanity x Wrote:
(March 25, 2012 at 4:46 am)Godschild Wrote: Deuteronomy 21:18-21 is not about small children, a son in those days was considered a man by his middle teens, this is a verse about adults children having no respect for the family and trying to tear down the family name. In those days the family name meant everything to all people and to disrespect it was a extremely bad thing to do. If you can't study scriptures at least study history.
And thats what you consider justification? What the fuck? How could anybody respect such a disgusting book.

Yes that happened in the past but thats why we move on. Now throw out the fucking bible and move on.

(March 25, 2012 at 4:46 am)Godschild Wrote: Proverbs 23:13-14 the word beat has a literal translation of "smite" which means to strike and as the passage states one is not to beat the child to death. I received several whippings as a child, and I can assure you, if it had not be for that punishment, that I now know was done because I was loved, I would have been in trouble all my life. So if it has done no other any good it did for me, and I'm glad to have grown up to be a responsible adult.
Okay so as long as they don't die its all good? Thats completely fucked up. Once again archaic book with archaic morals.. Disgusting.

You should grow-up and become a responsible adult, here's for hoping.
(March 25, 2012 at 4:31 pm)Faith No More Wrote:
Godschild Wrote:I received several whippings as a child, and I can assure you, if it had not be for that punishment, that I now know was done because I was loved, I would have been in trouble all my life.

This is a sad indictment of your parent's parenting skills and your character.

You have no idea what my parents were like, your disrespect for others shows how badly you listened to your parents. I'm grateful for my parents and their wonderful parenting abilities.

News flash. They weren't so wonderful if they beat you.
"A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything." -Friedrich Nietzsche

"All thinking men are atheists." -Ernest Hemmingway

"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." -Voltaire
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#68
RE: Religious indoctrination of children
(March 26, 2012 at 10:18 am)mediamogul Wrote:
(March 26, 2012 at 2:49 am)Godschild Wrote:
(March 25, 2012 at 10:58 am)Insanity x Wrote:
(March 25, 2012 at 4:46 am)Godschild Wrote: Deuteronomy 21:18-21 is not about small children, a son in those days was considered a man by his middle teens, this is a verse about adults children having no respect for the family and trying to tear down the family name. In those days the family name meant everything to all people and to disrespect it was a extremely bad thing to do. If you can't study scriptures at least study history.
And thats what you consider justification? What the fuck? How could anybody respect such a disgusting book.

Yes that happened in the past but thats why we move on. Now throw out the fucking bible and move on.

(March 25, 2012 at 4:46 am)Godschild Wrote: Proverbs 23:13-14 the word beat has a literal translation of "smite" which means to strike and as the passage states one is not to beat the child to death. I received several whippings as a child, and I can assure you, if it had not be for that punishment, that I now know was done because I was loved, I would have been in trouble all my life. So if it has done no other any good it did for me, and I'm glad to have grown up to be a responsible adult.
Okay so as long as they don't die its all good? Thats completely fucked up. Once again archaic book with archaic morals.. Disgusting.

You should grow-up and become a responsible adult, here's for hoping.
(March 25, 2012 at 4:31 pm)Faith No More Wrote:
Godschild Wrote:I received several whippings as a child, and I can assure you, if it had not be for that punishment, that I now know was done because I was loved, I would have been in trouble all my life.

This is a sad indictment of your parent's parenting skills and your character.

You have no idea what my parents were like, your disrespect for others shows how badly you listened to your parents. I'm grateful for my parents and their wonderful parenting abilities.

News flash. They weren't so wonderful if they beat you.

They did not beat me, they punished me for disobeying them, they taught me to have respect for authority, something lacking within society today.
(March 26, 2012 at 6:49 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: You are in no position to critique anyone's parents G-C. From our perspective yours did you a great disservice. End of story.

I see it the other way around.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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#69
RE: Religious indoctrination of children
(March 27, 2012 at 1:55 am)Godschild Wrote: They did not beat me, they punished me for disobeying them, they taught me to have respect for authority, something lacking within society today.

The standard defense of an abusive childhood - My parents weren't abusive, they gave me what I deserved.

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#70
RE: Religious indoctrination of children
Godschild Wrote:You have no idea what my parents were like, your disrespect for others shows how badly you listened to your parents. I'm grateful for my parents and their wonderful parenting abilities.

I know they whipped you which is not good parenting, and I won't apologize for saying so.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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