The Magic of Atheism?

[mediamogul]

Hey Ace,

Here is the webcam from the LHC.

Yay! Black hole!
The collider has uncovered some interesting data hasn't it. Trying to understand where all this came from. I bet religious nuts hate it. Knowing that we're probably one experiment away from reviling the truth about the universe.

Of course they are. Why do you think there was all that panic [mostly from religious institutions who were baying and shrieking about "playing god"] about the LHC before it went online? People heard "black hole generator" and were like "THAT MUST MEAN THEY'RE GOING TO DESTROY US ALL!! WE KNEW IT, SCIENCE WANTS TO DESTROY EVERYTHING!!"

Science = understanding what is not understood.
The human mind = 90% fear of the darkness, 10% curiosity to shine light into it.
Religions = Every step science takes is one step further from its control over the masses.

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Much more interesting than grovelling in some moth eaten building, over dressed, on a Sunday morning.

Fuck, you're telling me.

...Man I don't look back on those days with any fondness...

They need that gap. It's the last place they have left for their god to hide in. They can't have anyone closing it with knowledge!

[Creed of Heresy]

They need that gap. It's the last place they have left for their god to hide in. They can't have anyone closing it with knowledge!

Oh obviously they can't. I mean that in both the rhetorical and literal sense of the statement, too. We're at the scientific point in history where the universe itself is starting, just starting, to be understood in its rudimentary fashions. Scientific progress has closed the gap steadily but surely, like an inexorable juggernaut. First the proof that the earth has no foundations, that the sun does not rotate around it but vice-versa, and that the earth was round. Then the proof of precipitation and climate and what causes it, the concept of evolution and the slow but steady piecing together of the puzzle to the point we can already see the entire picture except for a few small details that we're still trying to find the pieces of. After that came the study of biology, the discovery of the dinosaurs, of genetics, and the human genome.

Bit by bit, every assertion religions have made have been proven false with empirical evidence, bit by bit it chisels away at their chapels and churches and monasteries and mosques. Now we're entering the territory of god-like forces; black holes, anti-matter, relativistic travel. The last bastion of the religious man's "but what if...?" last-stand part of their debates.

[mediamogul]

They need that gap. It's the last place they have left for their god to hide in. They can't have anyone closing it with knowledge!

Oh obviously they can't. I mean that in both the rhetorical and literal sense of the statement, too. We're at the scientific point in history where the universe itself is starting, just starting, to be understood in its rudimentary fashions. Scientific progress has closed the gap steadily but surely, like an inexorable juggernaut. First the proof that the earth has no foundations, that the sun does not rotate around it but vice-versa, and that the earth was round. Then the proof of precipitation and climate and what causes it, the concept of evolution and the slow but steady piecing together of the puzzle to the point we can already see the entire picture except for a few small details that we're still trying to find the pieces of. After that came the study of biology, the discovery of the dinosaurs, of genetics, and the human genome.

Bit by bit, every assertion religions have made have been proven false with empirical evidence, bit by bit it chisels away at their chapels and churches and monasteries and mosques. Now we're entering the territory of god-like forces; black holes, anti-matter, relativistic travel. The last bastion of the religious man's "but what if...?" last-stand part of their debates.

The most amazing thing to me is that all of those incredible achievements of modern science have happened essentially within the last hundred years. Imagine what another hundred years could bring us. Too bad I may not be around for the unified theory. The reality of time travel does scare me a little bit. I do have to admit.

[Phil]

The reality of time travel does scare me a little bit. I do have to admit.

I wouldn't worry about it. Tell me, if time travel is possible why hasn't a time traveler returned and gave us the plans for a time machine?

[Ace Otana]

Their god is running out of places to hide, and more people are leaving religion. Church attendance is dropping and science is improving. With technology like the hadron collider, it's only a matter of time before we can say where all this came from. Next time theists ask where all this came from if not god, we'll be able to tell them and with the evidence to prove it.

[FallentoReason]

The reality of time travel does scare me a little bit. I do have to admit.

I wouldn't worry about it. Tell me, if time travel is possible why hasn't a time traveler returned and gave us the plans for a time machine?

The fact that this hasn't happened tells me it's impossible. Otherwise, the future generations that figured it out would have been witnessed all over human history, which they haven't. That, or maybe we'll go extinct somehow before the breakthrough.

[KichigaiNeko]

It isn't "Time" yet??

[Phil]

maybe we'll go extinct somehow before the breakthrough.

Average lifetime for a species is 5-10 million years and I really doubt humans will make it 20% of that. I thought you were gonna put me on ignore?

[mediamogul]

The reality of time travel does scare me a little bit. I do have to admit.

I wouldn't worry about it. Tell me, if time travel is possible why hasn't a time traveler returned and gave us the plans for a time machine?

You mean like in Terminator 2? Haha.

Well it does pose an interesting question: If the time traveler is traveling back in time from the future and the future has not happened yet does that mean we would experience the time traveler as real in our own time despite him having come from a time that may technically not exist yet. In other words, would our team be real to him but we experience our own time as though he hadn't traveled to it?

Can this be explained via the whole waveform possibility collapsing thing? They lost me after Schroedingers cat.

[FallentoReason]

maybe we'll go extinct somehow before the breakthrough.

Average lifetime for a species is 5-10 million years and I really doubt humans will make it 20% of that. I thought you were gonna put me on ignore?

Well then, it means time travel wasn't invented by the future us. Shame.

I want to put you on ignore, but I admire your arguments.

Brilliance > trolling about my beliefs.