How to avoid shaking hands

[Epimethean]

ChiraptoPoePhobia is what this thread generates.

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

The problem is discrimination: you treat girls differently than you do men.

Friend, you have to.
Else, you should be able to hit a woman as you would a man, if they would insult you in public, or attack you.

You get violent when you feel insulted? And you consider that normal?

And the most tragic aspect of this no-handshake business, the wearing of niqaabs, burkas, the walking 3 paces behind your man, etc. etc. is that IT HAS NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH ISLAM! NOTHING ! The Qur'An does NOT require it. They aren't even mentioned in the Qur'An!
All this discrimination of women is purely a CULTURAL thing. Not religious!

It does not matter if the Qur'an requires it or not, friend.
There is the sunnah, there is the hadith. Are you above these, or are you such a learned man of faith to state that these are not there?

The sunnah and the hadith are NOT the words of the prophet!

Discrimination, well, both men and women discriminate eachother on certain things.

Of course they do. That's reality. That doesn't mean that it is 'normal'. To the contrary: discrimination is discrimination, whichever way you look at it.

Would you be able to have the same type of conversation you have with your fellow male, with another female?
I certainly would not.

Irrelevant. Don't confuse the issue: this is not about a conversation of an hour, this is about a greeting of 2 seconds.

And I also would not like it if a female came to me with a conversation topic that is usually discussed amongst girls. I see this as very rude, and a sign that she does not accept me as a man, but as a woman, that she comes up to me discussing female topics.

So before considering anything else (e.g. the actual content of the conversation) you are already offended by a woman approaching you with a conversation topic that you assume is usually discussed amongst girls? That's a sign of weakness. You must be very insecure about your manhood. :-P

[kılıç_mehmet]

You get violent when you feel insulted? And you consider that normal?

If you have a shred of pride, and a name for yourself, you cannot simply ignore words that are directed towards any of these.
I will first warn the person as politely as I can, but if he continues, I will have to teach him some respect. Because someone eventually will.

The sunnah and the hadith are NOT the words of the prophet!

Which denomination are you, friend? How do you perform your prayers without consulting the sunnah?

Of course they do. That's reality. That doesn't mean that it is 'normal'. To the contrary: discrimination is discrimination, whichever way you look at it.

It's normal as it is.
Men and women cannot be equal in every aspect. Neither can all men, nor all women be equal on every aspect amongst eachother.
If you expect me to act towards a woman the same way I act against a man...
I am more polite and more held back towards females. This is what my creed requires of me.

Irrelevant. Don't confuse the issue: this is not about a conversation of an hour, this is about a greeting of 2 seconds.

And on that accord, I do not greet females I do not know the same way as I greet males.
What kind of a violent discrimination towards women am I performing here?

I once gave my seat in a bus to a woman who came in, there were no seats to be found, and she yelled at me. She professed that she did not know me, and that I hinted on something by offering my seat.
I was simply being polite. Some people are like that. I rather not take the risk of public humiliation.

So before considering anything else (e.g. the actual content of the conversation) you are already offended by a woman approaching you with a conversation topic that you assume is usually discussed amongst girls? That's a sign of weakness. You must be very insecure about your manhood. :-P

I'm very secure about my manhood. But I will not have it to be treated like a girl by another girl. I usually break up the conversation, should it come to that. But people know me, and most try to have a rather tasteful conversation.
Not *before anything else*, I usually consider hand-jokes, or swearwords used in a friendly way to be very unfriendly, and rude.
I rather keep my distance to people in a tasteful way, friend.
Even at my drinking table.

[Cyberman]

In fact, its universally known to be very very bad manners to initiate a handshake to a woman.

This is why I go straight for the tits instead. I'm the perfect gentleman.

[Napoléon]

Why?

Well, they have a boyfriend. I don't know them very well, so I rather abstain from any physical contact.

Don't you people understand! Shaking hands is a very sexual thing! Just the touch of another human can be enough to make you get a hard on and make you want to rape them. That's why if you have good morals you'd rather not touch people at all.

[kılıç_mehmet]

Why?

Well, they have a boyfriend. I don't know them very well, so I rather abstain from any physical contact.

Don't you people understand! Shaking hands is a very sexual thing! Just the touch of another human can be enough to make you get a hard on and make you want to rape them. That's why if you have good morals you'd rather not touch people at all.

Well, you can't really know people. It doesn't really matter what you think.
Maybe the other person is very sensitive about this thing.
I generally abstain from such a thing, one never knows what kind of a person one can come across.

[Napoléon]

It doesn't really matter what you think.

Actually, you could argue it doesn't matter what they think. The socially acceptable standard in this country is when you meet someone new you shake their hand. Regardless of sex. If it's not the standard in other countries (like the one this ninja supposedly comes from) then ofcourse it shouldn't be a problem either because you shouldn't be expected to shake hands.

Maybe the other person is very sensitive about this thing.

Maybe the other person needs to grow the fuck up.

I generally abstain from such a thing, one never knows what kind of a person one can come across.

If it's not normal where you come from then I can understand, but in my view not shaking someone's hand is both very disrespectful and very weird.

[kılıç_mehmet]

Actually, you could argue it doesn't matter what they think. The socially acceptable standard in this country is when you meet someone new you shake their hand. Regardless of sex. If it's not the standard in other countries (like the one this ninja supposedly comes from) then ofcourse it shouldn't be a problem either because you shouldn't be expected to shake hands.

Dude, it's standard here, however I still am keen to be distant to the people I don't know, especially if they are female. Although I must add that it also depends on the circumstances.
If it's a casual meeting, it's certain that I probably will nod a greeting, but if it's a formal greeting of any sort, I will shake hands, as I know that the opposite person will not really take it in any other way than a simple greeting.

Maybe the other person needs to grow the fuck up.

Maybe. But I still nod a greeting at first from a distance, if I see that we're becoming friendly, I will shake hands the next time we meet, if ever.

If it's not normal where you come from then I can understand, but in my view not shaking someone's hand is both very disrespectful and very weird.

Well, same here, but it's different for women you do not know, or barely met.
If she were your casual friend, well, why wouldn't you shake hands with them?
But if you don't know them, it's best to give a greeting from the distance.
And my face is not the most friendly face, so I don't want people to get any wrong impressions, or having to touch me whereas they might feel uncomfortable around my presence.

[Chuff]

You mean you understood a single word they said, Chuff?

* Vaeolet Lilly Blossom has been through the hell of outsourced Indian customer service... it's horrid. Just horrid.

I have to admit calling customer service and getting through to a very polite but utterly humourless person reading from a script in a call centre in bangalore is a proper ball ache even now, but I work in IT recruitment and the majority of the guys are indeed Indian - I have a great fondness for them in general and I have become pretty damn adept at understanding even the broadest of accent these days

While I was out there I was shaking hands with everyone, I guess I was the rudest guy in town

If you were running around offering your hand to women yes!!

haha whoops a cultural faux pas borne of innocence, I did have the good sense to always offer my right hand though

[reverendjeremiah]

I dont blame you for not wanting to shake my hand...being cognitively disabled and all I tend to pick my nose alot and not wash my hands.