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RE: Evolution
April 30, 2012 at 8:01 pm
(April 30, 2012 at 7:49 pm)Chuck Wrote: Bullshit. The impetus for modern science in europe was contingent upon historic chances not in any way dependent upon anything uniquely Christian.
Actually history disagrees with you the Christian worldview had EVERYTHING to do with the rise of modern science.
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RE: Evolution
April 30, 2012 at 8:01 pm
(April 30, 2012 at 7:23 pm)Abishalom Wrote: If it weren't for Christians then there would be no modern science.

Some early scientists were Christians.
Therefore Christianity is responsible for modern science.


Affirm the consequent much there bub?
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RE: Evolution
April 30, 2012 at 8:08 pm (This post was last modified: April 30, 2012 at 8:17 pm by Abishalom.)
(April 30, 2012 at 8:01 pm)popeyespappy Wrote:
(April 30, 2012 at 7:23 pm)Abishalom Wrote: If it weren't for Christians then there would be no modern science.

Some early scientists were Christians.
Therefore Christianity is responsible for modern science.


Affirm the consequent much there bub?
Do you even know what affirming the consequence means (apparently not)? I am just affirming the reality.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chr...in_science

This is not even an exhaustive list (and does not include the many other contributions from Christians to western civilization). Let's put it like this if it weren't for the Christian worldview we'd all just be natural philosophers like the Greeks spewing off ideas that we will never test.


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#234
RE: Evolution
April 30, 2012 at 8:21 pm
(April 30, 2012 at 8:08 pm)Abishalom Wrote: Let's put it like this if it weren't for the Christian worldview we'd all just be natural philosophers like the Greeks spewing off ideas that we will never test.

What shite.

You are currently experiencing a lucky and very brief window of awareness, sandwiched in between two periods of timeless and utter nothingness. So why not make the most of it, and stop wasting your life away trying to convince other people that there is something else? The reality is obvious.

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RE: Evolution
April 30, 2012 at 8:25 pm
Haha, this guy.
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#236
RE: Evolution
April 30, 2012 at 8:32 pm
Ignorance is boundless.
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#237
RE: Evolution
April 30, 2012 at 8:39 pm (This post was last modified: April 30, 2012 at 8:42 pm by FallentoReason.)
Abishalom Wrote:This is not even an exhaustive list (and does not include the many other contributions from Christians to western civilization). Let's put it like this if it weren't for the Christian worldview we'd all just be natural philosophers like the Greeks spewing off ideas that we will never test.
The Greeks did give us quite a bit of maths at least. They did their part, despite worshipping Zeus..
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RE: Evolution
April 30, 2012 at 8:41 pm
(April 30, 2012 at 8:08 pm)Abishalom Wrote: I am just affirming the reality.

Must be nice to be able to make reality conform to your personal beliefs. I guess Christians in general have always been pretty good at that though....

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RE: Evolution
April 30, 2012 at 9:54 pm (This post was last modified: April 30, 2012 at 10:10 pm by Epimethean.)
Abishalom is back at the ignorance gristmill.

This guy has already shoveled some of the usual apologist shit:

http://nobeliefs.com/comments10.htm
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RE: Evolution
April 30, 2012 at 11:10 pm (This post was last modified: April 30, 2012 at 11:52 pm by Abishalom.)
(April 30, 2012 at 8:39 pm)FallentoReason Wrote:
Abishalom Wrote:This is not even an exhaustive list (and does not include the many other contributions from Christians to western civilization). Let's put it like this if it weren't for the Christian worldview we'd all just be natural philosophers like the Greeks spewing off ideas that we will never test.
The Greeks did give us quite a bit of maths at least. They did their part, despite worshipping Zeus..
They got got their mathematics from the Egyptians who got their mathematics from the Babylonians (so technically they really didn't give us that either). So essentially all they really contributed to society was mindless drivel that became standard doctrine of the western world for centuries prior to the Christian worldview dominance.

(April 30, 2012 at 9:54 pm)Epimethean Wrote: Abishalom is back at the ignorance gristmill.

This guy has already shoveled some of the usual apologist shit:

http://nobeliefs.com/comments10.htm

I'm about to read this article. But in the meantime please do tell which worldview do you believe is responsible for the foundations of modern science?
(April 30, 2012 at 8:41 pm)popeyespappy Wrote:
(April 30, 2012 at 8:08 pm)Abishalom Wrote: I am just affirming the reality.

Must be nice to be able to make reality conform to your personal beliefs. I guess Christians in general have always been pretty good at that though....
List some of the primary presumptions of science and compare them to the prevailing worldviews at the rise of science (ie eastern mysticism, Greek philosophy, Christianity etc). Now tell me which one of those worldviews mirror these presumptions above the rest.

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