Hi

[leo-rcc]

I was not surprised that you pick this verse out, because it's a verse that majority of people pick out when they try to show unjust for Muslim women. But in fact, Islam is just to Men and Women.

I picked that verse for the specific reason as I already stated before, if within your religion there isn't even an agreement what verses mean, then they will not be convincing to those that don't believe in your version of a god. We don't accept on blind faith the Quran is correct so we don't need to make up elaborate stories to what verses mean. You say you explain what these verses mean, but in fact you only explain how you interpret them. I just don't agree.

[Dotard]

You say you explain what these verses mean, but in fact you only explain how you interpret them. I just don't agree.

QFT.

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And BTW, I am SO in love with that hot Romanian chick! I'd give up a whole month's salary just to spend 5 minutes with her hot self. If there were a Satan I'd sell my soul to him for a couple few "rolls in the hay" with that hot beauty. I'd climb the highest mountain, swim the deepest sea......

well, you get the idea.


Did I mention she's hot? Damn..... hot!

[leo-rcc]

And BTW, I am SO in love with that hot Romanian chick! I'd give up a whole month's salary just to spend 5 minutes with her hot self. If there were a Satan I'd sell my soul to him for a couple few "rolls in the hay" with that hot beauty. I'd climb the highest mountain, swim the deepest sea......

I think the line forms on the left.

ZOMGitsCriss is very popular and not just for her looks but also for her views. She is beautiful, and smart. What a terrible combination, I don't stand a chance with her.

[peace2u]

Because she's fucking stupid?

Life's a bitch and then you die.

I guess science doesn't have the answer to the issues and problems of everyday life! If you don't know the reason or answer to something you don't need to be rude.

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I picked that verse for the specific reason as I already stated before, if within your religion there isn't even an agreement what verses mean, then they will not be convincing to those that don't believe in your version of a god. We don't accept on blind faith the Quran is correct so we don't need to make up elaborate stories to what verses mean. You say you explain what these verses mean, but in fact you only explain how you interpret them. I just don't agree.

It many situation a certain verse of the Quran needs to be fully explained because it has logic and reasoning behind it. Some people understand in its simplest form by others need deeper explanation. The different interpretations does not change the true essence of the verse.

[Darwinian]

I guess science doesn't have the answer to the issues and problems of everyday life! If you don't know the reason or answer to something you don't need to be rude.

Science doesn't have the answer to the problems of everyday life. But then it doesn't try to fool people into thinking that it does. Science teaches us that the problems of everyday life can be solved if we simply apply our minds and problem solving abilities to them. It doesn't fill our minds full of false hopes and ridiculous promises or threaten us with eternal torment if we disregard it.

Neither does it teach bigotry, intolerance, hatred and set people against people.

It many situation a certain verse of the Quran needs to be fully explained because it has logic and reasoning behind it. Some people understand in its simplest form by others need deeper explanation. The different interpretations does not change the true essence of the verse.

They need to be explained because they make no sense in a rational and free society and so their true meaning, which is now lost to our modern and open minded understanding of life, needs to be twisted and contorted in order for you to make some kind of sense out of them.

[Edwardo Piet]

Because she's fucking stupid?

Life's a bitch and then you die.

I guess science doesn't have the answer to the issues and problems of everyday life! If you don't know the reason or answer to something you don't need to be rude.

It doesn't absolutely 'know' the answer no, but then nor does anything else.

Science can still answer the problem of God with "Sorry, no evidence" - whether there can be evidence or not, no evidence means there's no rational reason to believe! If there can't be evidence of something, that of course - is not a good thing!

And do you know of any non scientific evidence either? And there's no evidence of ultimate purpose in the universe either so questions like "Why are we here?" become stupid unless they mean something like "How are we here?" instead, the answer to that question being evolution, etc; and before that - whatever the cause of universe was (if it was caused that it is) - some kind of singularity like the 'Big Bang', etc.

But as I said science doesn't absolutely 'know' the answer no, but then nor does anything else - and furthermore, science doesn't claim to either.

EvF

[Kyuuketsuki]

I guess science doesn't have the answer to the issues and problems of everyday life! If you don't know the reason or answer to something you don't need to be rude.

The somewhat sarcastic points I was making (which obviously elude you in your religious fervour) were that:

1. Just because someone chooses to be a Muslim proves ABSOLUTELY FUCK ALL!

2. Life isn't fair, atheists get credit for ABSOLUTELY FUCK ALL in the media too ... live with it!

It many situation a certain verse of the Quran needs to be fully explained because it has logic and reasoning behind it. Some people understand in its simplest form by others need deeper explanation. The different interpretations does not change the true essence of the verse.

The logic and reasoning of a technologically primitive civilisation ... colour me unimpressed!

Kyu

[Dotard]

I've noticed no one comment on Mr. peace's interpretation is still advocating hitting women.

He tries to gloss over it by offering an interpretation that it states hit them 'lightly'.

Lightly or not it STILL ADVOCATES violence. And just so you don't feel like the lone ranger p2u, here's a couple bibles verses for you to look up; 1 Chronicles 10:9; 2 Kings 6:31, 2 Samuel 4:7.

Christianity also advocates beheadings (violence). But that's another thread.

But, yeah. Hey. P2u, do you not see the connection of whether it says beat the wholly hell out of your women or just hit them lightly, just be sure to hit them, is still an act of violence against another?

[Kyuuketsuki]

Dotard,

I didn't realise that probably because I can't be arsed to read the kind of crap people like him write so lets' be direct eh?

Peace2u ... do you advocate violence (of any sort) against women without allowing them the equal visitation of violence upon you?

Kyu

[peace2u]

But, yeah. Hey. P2u, do you not see the connection of whether it says beat the wholly hell out of your women or just hit them lightly, just be sure to hit them, is still an act of violence against another?

Hitting someone doesn't always consider to be act of violence. In Islam, as a whole Men and Women are equal but not identical. In some situation Husbands has rights and superiority over their Wives, while in other Wives has rights and superiority over their Husbands and in some situation it's equal.

If you look at the general human nature/behaviour men are more physical while women are more emotional. If you look the everyday life in a marriage, sometimes the husband may require to hit her wife to bring her out of a prolonged bad mood even though there is an undercurrent of love and desire for the woman and no real harm is done to the woman.

Like the example I gave before, in movies, one often sees the following type of scene: a man and a woman love each other but in some matter the woman simply does not want to listen to the man even though she realizes deep down that he is thinking for the good of both of them. The man tries all the tender ways to bring the woman around to his point of view without any success. Frustrated, the man at last bursts into anger and gives the woman a slap. This shakes the woman out of her mood and she falls on his shoulders, with both happier than before. Of course, movies are no guide for us but sometimes they do represent human nature and life as it is.

(p.s According to some traditions the Prophet (PBUH) he said that hitting should be in way that it should not cause injury, bruise or serious hurt. On this basis some scholars like Tabari and Razi say even that it should be largely symbolic and should be administered "with a folded scarf" or some such thing". However, to be effective in its purpose of shaking the wife out of her nasty mood it is important that it should provide an energetic demonstration of the anger, frustration and love of the husband. In other words, it should neither seriously hurt the wife nor reduce it to a set of meaningless motions devoid of emotions).