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RE: Robot Rights.
April 18, 2012 at 1:51 pm
(April 18, 2012 at 12:21 pm)Mosrhun Wrote: It would be hard to distinguish, how would you measure consciousness?
When they claim that right.
When the character Data in the story claimed the right of choice, he demonstrated the ability to make a personal choice against the wishes of the user. This is a strong indication of consciousness.
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RE: Robot Rights.
April 18, 2012 at 2:01 pm
(April 18, 2012 at 1:22 pm)Tiberius Wrote: Chickens can feel harm, do they have rights?
Not human rights, but the right not to be tortured unnecessarily.
If I'm going to eat the bugger, I would like it at least to be "humane".
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RE: Robot Rights.
April 18, 2012 at 2:09 pm
I don't think it centres around pain. When someone is paralysed and can't feel pain do we suddenly take their rights away?
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RE: Robot Rights.
April 18, 2012 at 2:30 pm
(This post was last modified: April 18, 2012 at 2:32 pm by NoMoreFaith.)
(April 18, 2012 at 2:09 pm)Napoleon Wrote: I don't think it centres around pain. When someone is paralysed and can't feel pain do we suddenly take their rights away?
It doesn't. Which is why I used the term Harm, not pain, and they are different concepts. Being locked in a cupboard doesn't hurt you, but it causes you harm.
A robot that is self-aware will probably not have pain receptors, but being self-aware, can conceive it is being harmed.
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RE: Robot Rights.
April 18, 2012 at 2:40 pm
(April 18, 2012 at 1:49 pm)Napoleon Wrote: (April 18, 2012 at 1:22 pm)Tiberius Wrote: Chickens can feel harm, do they have rights?
Yeah but are they self aware in the same sense that humans are?
That wasn't my point. I was disagreeing with the condition upon which NoMoreFaith based his idea of "rights":
Quote:I think a machine has rights if it can be made to feel harm, and through that extension, you can apply a golden rule.
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RE: Robot Rights.
April 18, 2012 at 2:57 pm
Intelligence doesn't equal consciousness. If our machines ever become conscious, I don't think it will be because they're so smart, it will be because we programmed them to be able to fool us into thinking they're human (imagine virtual call center personnel). I suppose when they want to do something else besides what we made them for, that should be a wake-up call.
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RE: Robot Rights.
April 18, 2012 at 3:23 pm
(April 18, 2012 at 1:51 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: (April 18, 2012 at 12:21 pm)Mosrhun Wrote: It would be hard to distinguish, how would you measure consciousness?
When they claim that right.
When the character Data in the story claimed the right of choice, he demonstrated the ability to make a personal choice against the wishes of the user. This is a strong indication of consciousness.
Not necessarily, if an AI is programmed to be able to "learn" what's to stop it from just asserting that it is conscious? It could learn about consciousness and replicate it without ever truly knowing it is "alive".
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RE: Robot Rights.
April 18, 2012 at 3:41 pm
(This post was last modified: April 18, 2012 at 3:42 pm by Napoléon.)
(April 18, 2012 at 3:23 pm)Mosrhun Wrote: Not necessarily, if an AI is programmed to be able to "learn"
There is AI which can already do that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine_learning
Quote:what's to stop it from just asserting that it is conscious?
I think it would have to learn what consciousness is. I do not think it is impossible that a machine could decipher what self consciousness is and think that it is conscious itself.
All it takes is computer programming complicated enough.
Quote:It could learn about consciousness and replicate it
Exactly 
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RE: Robot Rights.
April 18, 2012 at 4:01 pm
This isn't going to fuck up battle bots is it?
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RE: Robot Rights.
April 18, 2012 at 4:05 pm
(April 18, 2012 at 4:01 pm)popeyespappy Wrote: This isn't going to fuck up battle bots is it?
You mean robot wars.
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