The Un-Christian America

[DeeTee]

What do you think we studied in school? Canadian history? ha Ha Ha. we studied American history for years.

Yes yes, I'm sure your American history was "very" thorough when it came to the complex personal beliefs of ALL the founding fathers.

Since you weren't there, you will never know. Your mockery just describes you and your lack of character. It doesn't hurt me in the least.

WTF do you think all those goddamned churches all over Europe were built for? Jews????

It says that the Roman Catholic controlled countries were allowed to build huge structures at the expense of the poor and supposed middle class.

Their existence doesn't make the RCC a christian church or the country they reside christian. That is like saying all atheists are christian because they own a Bible.

Really, I know you feel outnumbered and drastically put-upon...I did warn you...but kindly try to at least THINK before you post something

America was once declared a christian country, it has thousands upon thousands of churches--are/were all of its people christian?

[Reforged]

Since you weren't there, you will never know. Your mockery just describes you and your lack of character. It doesn't hurt me in the least.

Translation: " A gap in my knowledge... Run awaaaaaaaaaay!"

[kılıç_mehmet]

Yes yes, I'm sure your American history was "very" thorough when it came to the complex personal beliefs of ALL the founding fathers.

Since you weren't there, you will never know. Your mockery just describes you and your lack of character. It doesn't hurt me in the least.

WTF do you think all those goddamned churches all over Europe were built for? Jews????

It says that the Roman Catholic controlled countries were allowed to build huge structures at the expense of the poor and supposed middle class.

Their existence doesn't make the RCC a christian church or the country they reside christian. That is like saying all atheists are christian because they own a Bible.

Really, I know you feel outnumbered and drastically put-upon...I did warn you...but kindly try to at least THINK before you post something

America was once declared a christian country, it has thousands upon thousands of churches--are/were all of its people christian?

America is still, culturally, christian.
But in terms of law it needs to be secular. Besides, secularity also applies to the daily lives of people. Like, how do I define secularism? I define it as the individualisation of faith. The only place where faith is practiced publicly is the church.
Outside, people comply with the secular laws that govern everyone's lives.
I guess no one objects to that.

[DeeTee]

America is still, culturally, christian.

I would disagree with that statement. One just has to read the news media to get a different perspective on what the nation is .

But in terms of law it needs to be secular

Since almost all laws are based upon the Bible or God's law, God's standard of morality there is nothing secular about it. Secular law is too subjective and changes with the changes in leadership. that is not a correct way to run a country.

The only place where faith is practiced publicly is the church.

Wrong. Those that do that are not practicing christianity correctly.

Outside, people comply with the secular laws that govern everyone's lives

No, many people obey the law BECAUSE they are OBEYING CHRIST. your over-generalization misses the mark.

[Shell B]

How freaking foolish. The laws don't match up with biblical law. I'm allowed to covet. I'm allowed to have whatever gods I want or none. Actually, looking at the ten commandments, there are more that do not match up with U.S. law than there are those that do. Interesting.

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Since almost all laws are based upon the Bible or God's law, God's standard of morality there is nothing secular about it. Secular law is too subjective and changes with the changes in leadership. that is not a correct way to run a country.

You're either lying, ignorant or willfully ignorant. Either way, you're wrong.

[Autumnlicious]

proof please from legitimate objective sources.

Since almost all laws are based upon the Bible or God's law, God's standard of morality there is nothing secular about it. Secular law is too subjective and changes with the changes in leadership. that is not a correct way to run a country.

I believe you missed a conditional of your own. Care to meet your own demands?

Whoops, there I go being intolerant again!

[Minimalist]

It says that the Roman Catholic controlled countries were allowed to build huge structures at the expense of the poor and supposed middle class.

Their existence doesn't make the RCC a christian church or the country they reside christian. That is like saying all atheists are christian because they own a Bible.

Still prattling on with your catholics are not "christians" shit, Arch? Anyone dumb enough to believe that a dead jew came back to life is a xtian in my book and deserves that worthless title.

[Hovik]

America is still, culturally, christian.

I would disagree with that statement. One just has to read the news media to get a different perspective on what the nation is.

Right, because the media is reflective of the sensibilities of the nation as a whole. Too bad statistics completely disagree with you.

But in terms of law it needs to be secular

Since almost all laws are based upon the Bible or God's law, God's standard of morality there is nothing secular about it. Secular law is too subjective and changes with the changes in leadership. that is not a correct way to run a country.

Are you out of your mind? In what sense are laws in any way based on the Bible? As for your assertion that secular law is too subjective, that's utterly ludicrous. Secular law is (or at least ought to be) based on objective ethical analysis. Do I even have to list the ways in which Biblical morality is, by anyone's standards, fucked in the head?

[Minimalist]

Are you out of your mind?

Is that a trick question?


You are talking to a man who literally believes in a talking snake and a world-covering flood. He is capable of infinite self-delusion.

[kılıç_mehmet]

I would disagree with that statement. One just has to read the news media to get a different perspective on what the nation is .

I am reading the news media and watching TV and etc. and still think that the US is culturally a christian nation. Just as my nation is culturally is culturally mussulman, is there anything I could say to change this fact?

Since almost all laws are based upon the Bible or God's law, God's standard of morality there is nothing secular about it. Secular law is too subjective and changes with the changes in leadership. that is not a correct way to run a country.

What is the biblical law? The law of the Jew? The long list of commandments that exceed the ten fundamental commandments that were given to Moses?
I see no similarities between the law of the Jew and secular law of today.
Secular law subjective, true. And changes. However, there also are a set of strict boundaries for law.

These are defined in the constitution, so that no overtly stupid or harmful laws can be made.
Besides, social law, speaking for my own people, is still the same as before.
Our laws need to be in accordance with the social law.
And our social laws exceed most of the Koran's commandments.

Wrong. Those that do that are not practicing christianity correctly.

You don't seem to understand what I'm saying.
I'm saying that you should not reflect your religious difference towards other people. Our Padishah, Mahmud the second Khan, once said, "I want to see the religious differences between my subjects within their respective mosques, churches and synagogues."
This is the same as applying secularism into your life.
This is how I govern my life when it comes to religious differences with others.

No, many people obey the law BECAUSE they are OBEYING CHRIST. your over-generalization misses the mark.

You live in a christian country. I live in a moslem country.