(May 19, 2012 at 4:46 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Humans don't agree on morality and greatness, it doesn't mean we should deny either, just because it's exact properties are not agreed upon. We know what greatness as a concept means, we all believe in some greatness, so when it comes to Ultimate Greatness, we can agree upon some things but differ on other things.
When it comes to ultimate greatness, if we can differ on aspects of it, then it is not ultimate greatness.
(May 19, 2012 at 4:46 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Well obviously whatever God is, that is what we should deem ultimate goodness. I don't find the Christian or Islamic God conception to be ultimate goodness, but never the less, I accept there is an Ultimate Great God.
Whatever is true greatness and true goodness is defined through his existence.
Therefore if torturing people with fire for disbelieving in the true religion is evil, then naturally we shouldn't believe God would do such a thing.
It seems to me religion veiled people from the true beauty of God.
I can remember while religious, I focused on compassion, love, mercy of God portrayed in the religion, and sort of ignored the wrathful side portrayed in the religion.
I think deep inside I always knew the true beauty of God but just blinded myself to it by indoctrination.
Whether or not particular examples fit the criteria or not is irrelevant. Even if there is a god, it does not follow that we should deem it to be ultimate goodness or we should assume true greatness and true goodness is defined by him. In fact, given the rarity and suffering of life, we are more justified in assuming that true indifference or true malevolence are defined by him.
