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The Brain=Mind Fallacy
RE: The Brain=Mind Fallacy
(June 7, 2012 at 8:06 am)Brian37 Wrote: I hate the word "philosophy".stuck in a rut, including a bad "philosophy".

You don't say?

(June 7, 2012 at 8:06 am)Brian37 Wrote: In evolutionary terms, what is really going on is that we seek patterns, "philosophy" is merely a place card word to say, "when we do this it seems to work so lets go with it".

No its a place card for saying "what is it, why is it and what should be do with it and why should be do that".


(June 7, 2012 at 8:06 am)Brian37 Wrote: The problem with the word is that it has the baggage of becoming sedentary and dogmatic.

You are thinking of religion.

(June 7, 2012 at 8:06 am)Brian37 Wrote: A "philosophy" can be any claimed pattern a person thinks works. The problem is once they take on that "philosophy" they tend to project it on others.

We need to get rid of that word. It has too much baggage.

Brainstorming, having ideas, saying "this seems to work" are much better terms to work with because it is not attached to someone's personal idea of "this is the way things should go".

It frees us up to question and without question our species can get stuck in a rut, including a bad "philosophy".

Clearly, you hatred for philosophy comes from the fact that you don't understand what it is. It is simply the answer to the basic questions we ask ourselves about our existence, the world and our actions in it. "This is how it should be" is not a necessary part of philosophy unless it is one of the questions asked.
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Again, the reason I hate that word is because of people like people like Plato who had the bad "philosophy" of "essence".

It is a stupid archaic word. We have the TOOL of scientific method which has surpassed merely brain farts.
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RE: The Brain=Mind Fallacy
(June 7, 2012 at 3:34 pm)Brian37 Wrote: It is a stupid archaic word. We have the TOOL of scientific method which has surpassed merely brain farts.

And you don't appear to have made use of many of them before making various outlandish assetions.
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(June 7, 2012 at 4:02 pm)Chuck Wrote:
(June 7, 2012 at 3:34 pm)Brian37 Wrote: It is a stupid archaic word. We have the TOOL of scientific method which has surpassed merely brain farts.

And you don't appear to have made use of many of them before making various outlandish assetions.

"Philosohpy" is not a science rooted word. It is merely "go with an idea".

Just scrap the damned word, we don't need it.

"Buddhist philosophy"
"Taoist philosophy"
"Plato's philosophy"
"Christian philosophy"
"Libertarian philosophy"

DO YOU NOT see the problem with that? It is an ambiguous word that anyone can use to suit their own needs.

Scientific method is not something you suit to your own needs, that is why it is called METHOD.

Method is what we use to TEST ideas. Philosophy is merely a brain fart. Method goes way beyond merely saying "I like what I came up with".

Just say "I have an idea". THEN be willing to use METHOD to test that idea. You don't need a "philosophy" you need a quality control mechanism which is what METHOD is. "Otherwise any "philosophy" is good enough to stick in a gap and no need for a method.

Idea based on prior data plus testing and falsification and independent peer review. METHOD AND TOOL

It is an archaic word we DONT need to use.
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(June 7, 2012 at 4:19 pm)Brian37 Wrote: DO YOU NOT see the problem with that? It is an ambiguous word that anyone can use to suit their own needs....It is an archaic word we DONT need to use.
You have an interesting philosophy.

Did you understand that sentence?
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(June 7, 2012 at 4:45 pm)ChadWooters Wrote:
(June 7, 2012 at 4:19 pm)Brian37 Wrote: DO YOU NOT see the problem with that? It is an ambiguous word that anyone can use to suit their own needs....It is an archaic word we DONT need to use.
You have an interesting philosophy.

Did you understand that sentence?
No, I have the IDEA that we should NOT use that word. Can you understand that sentence? I am not claiming it to be dogmatic. "Philosophy" has the bullshit baggage of dogmatism.

"Philosophies" are sold and marketed. Ideas don't have to be sold, they have to be tested to be proven or debunked. Scientific method is NOT philosophy, it is a TOOL.

You must be loving this distraction considering the OP isn't about this. You want us to forget your bullshit OP.
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RE: The Brain=Mind Fallacy
(June 7, 2012 at 4:56 pm)Brian37 Wrote:
(June 7, 2012 at 4:45 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: You have an interesting philosophy.

Did you understand that sentence?
No, I have the IDEA that we should NOT use that word. Can you understand that sentence? I am not claiming it to be dogmatic. "Philosophy" has the bullshit baggage of dogmatism.

"Philosophies" are sold and marketed. Ideas don't have to be sold, they have to be tested to be proven or debunked. Scientific method is NOT philosophy, it is a TOOL.

You must be loving this distraction considering the OP isn't about this. You want us to forget your bullshit OP.

Do you realize that science and the scientific method method have deep roots in philosophy?

There exists bad philosophy. There also exists bad science.

While throwing out the bathwater, take care not to discard the baby as well.
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RE: The Brain=Mind Fallacy
(June 7, 2012 at 4:56 pm)Brian37 Wrote: No, I have the IDEA that we should NOT use that word. Can you understand that sentence? I am not claiming it to be dogmatic. "Philosophy" has the bullshit baggage of dogmatism.

"Philosophies" are sold and marketed. Ideas don't have to be sold, they have to be tested to be proven or debunked. Scientific method is NOT philosophy, it is a TOOL.

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1. Do you realize you use vocabulary for communicate with othersm and others' vocabulary choices do not revolve around you?

2. Do you realize that the notion that the "this TOOL is appropriate for use" is what normal people might consider to be a philosophy?
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I think Brian37 is testing out an atheist version of Poe's law.
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