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RE: how do you forgive yourself?
July 12, 2012 at 2:34 pm
(July 12, 2012 at 12:24 am)spelbynder Wrote: (July 12, 2012 at 12:00 am)Polaris Wrote: Alcohol helps. Unfortunately, I can't stand alcohol. Can I use pot? And will I still be forgiven after it wears off?
Forum stoner here (Void is AWOL, so it falls to me...)
You can only use any drug if and only if you intend to converse with yourself and journey through your troubles.
That means reliving it, conversing with the people in the middle of it and asking them for forgiveness.
I've done that before to come at peace with things I've done to others and cannot change now.
Although those still living may hate my guts, I do not hate theirs.
Because their representation inside my mind, the simulation, the memory of them has given me a two way conversation to pledge that I will not make the same mistakes.
Forgiveness is one thing.
Redemption is hard.
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RE: how do you forgive yourself?
July 12, 2012 at 2:44 pm
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(July 12, 2012 at 1:19 pm)Godschild Wrote: (July 12, 2012 at 12:24 am)spelbynder Wrote: Unfortunately, I can't stand alcohol. Can I use pot? And will I still be forgiven after it wears off?
You know that after it wears off the same problem will be there, it will not have changed and actually grown worse because you do not deal with it. I know how you can find the relief you're looking for, I found it in my life and now do not have to look back.
I repeat; you must of done some seriously dark shit to want to believe what you do.
Forgiveness, redemption. They're just terms, they don't undo whats been done. Nothing does. You will probably carry the guilt with you to some extent for the rest of your life, thats a given. Its up to you how that guilt defines you and your actions. You can make it a tragedy that spurred you on to do benevolent and kind acts or you can make it pointless, a total waste of life and a lesson that has gone unheeded.
You know whether its the former or the latter and whether you're satisfied with it.
No invisible force is going to absolve you, the rest of the story is entirely in your hands.
"That is not dead which can eternal lie and with strange aeons even death may die."
- Abdul Alhazred.
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RE: how do you forgive yourself?
July 12, 2012 at 5:31 pm
I forgive myself if, and only if, I feel that I have learned a sufficient lesson from what I have done wrong.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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RE: how do you forgive yourself?
July 12, 2012 at 6:26 pm
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I don't forgive myself totally. I always regret when I remember and beat myself up a little bit over it. But I try to focus on the present and move forward.
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RE: how do you forgive yourself?
July 13, 2012 at 4:38 pm
(July 12, 2012 at 1:19 pm)Godschild Wrote: You know that after it wears off the same problem will be there, it will not have changed and actually grown worse because you do not deal with it. I know how you can find the relief you're looking for, I found it in my life and now do not have to look back.
Passing accountability for transgressions onto a dead arab jew is hardly a solution. It's moral bankruptcy and you should be ashamed. The fact that that your religion is based on this very premise and the fact that you feel no shame makes you and all other Christians contemptible.
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RE: how do you forgive yourself?
July 13, 2012 at 4:47 pm
I have done a fair amount of evil shit before, but I just have the attitude of "oh well"... 
I don't let guilt get to me. I know what I did was wrong and I don't need to explain to the people I wronged that I know this. They can think what they want, doesn't bother me.
I take my "shit happens" approach to life very seriously.
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RE: how do you forgive yourself?
July 13, 2012 at 8:35 pm
(July 12, 2012 at 1:19 pm)Godschild Wrote: (July 12, 2012 at 12:24 am)spelbynder Wrote: Unfortunately, I can't stand alcohol. Can I use pot? And will I still be forgiven after it wears off?
You know that after it wears off the same problem will be there, it will not have changed and actually grown worse because you do not deal with it. I know how you can find the relief you're looking for, I found it in my life and now do not have to look back.
That's why you keep on drinking.
But if we walk in the light, as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, His Son, purifies us from all sin.
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RE: how do you forgive yourself?
July 13, 2012 at 9:02 pm
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Maybe it's my Irish Catholic upbringing, but I use my guilt as a vehicle to do better things. I never let it go, but I don't let it consume me either. Basically, I turn it into a tool that motivates me when I become complacent, and I'm not doing everything I can to be positive and effect positive change in the lives of others. When I want to vent and be an asshole, I come here.
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RE: how do you forgive yourself?
July 13, 2012 at 9:08 pm
(July 12, 2012 at 1:21 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: (July 12, 2012 at 1:19 pm)Godschild Wrote: You know that after it wears off the same problem will be there, it will not have changed and actually grown worse because you do not deal with it. I know how you can find the relief you're looking for, I found it in my life and now do not have to look back.
Now what could you be thinking of?
Oh I know.
Snake oil.
You would rather protect your precious unbelief than for this person to find peace, now that's what I see as one who cares little for others.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: how do you forgive yourself?
July 13, 2012 at 9:30 pm
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(July 13, 2012 at 9:08 pm)Godschild Wrote: (July 12, 2012 at 1:21 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: Now what could you be thinking of?
Oh I know.
Snake oil.
You would rather protect your precious unbelief than for this person to find peace, now that's what I see as one who cares little for others.
We'd rather that person think for themselves than end up like a mindless automaton like you.
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