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The wrong man on trial
#11
RE: The wrong man on trial
(June 19, 2012 at 10:04 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Correct. Then the prosecutor has to decide if he thinks he can do better next time.

Scotland has a third possible verdict; 'not proven'. The person is not then protected by double jeopardy. Of course,neither is person who has a mistrial. (sounds like a psycho-sexual impairment) Tiger


Min,do you have any idea what proportion of mistrials are prosecuted again the US? Intuitively,I'd think relatively few.
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#12
RE: The wrong man on trial
Not a clue.

Frankly, most criminal cases do not go to trial but are settled by bullshit plea-bargains.
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#13
RE: The wrong man on trial
TFA Wrote:The Lynchs, who were 7 and 4 at the time, were raped in the woods and forced to have oral sex with each other while Lindner watched, according to a civil lawsuit. Lindner has been accused of abuse by nearly a dozen people, including his own sister and nieces and nephews, but was never criminally charged because the allegations were too old.

WHAT THE--!

If this man goes to prison, anyone up for letters of support?

The accused is quite clearly, and possibly permanently, traumatized by his experience.

I firmly support his desire to get justice, even at and past the point of fists if necessary.

Because this is the only way he can get closure now.

What protecting the Church over children hath wrought, this is it.
Slave to the Patriarchy no more
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#14
RE: The wrong man on trial
Perhaps it's just a matter of timing.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18522383

Article about a young Texas man that will not be indicted for beating to death his daughter's attacker. Caught in the act though.
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#15
RE: The wrong man on trial
(June 20, 2012 at 10:11 am)cato123 Wrote: Perhaps it's just a matter of timing.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18522383

Article about a young Texas man that will not be indicted for beating to death his daughter's attacker. Caught in the act though.

The fact he tried to get medical help showed he wasn't in it to kill the attacker, but defend his daughter by any means necessary.
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#16
RE: The wrong man on trial
(June 19, 2012 at 4:27 pm)Minimalist Wrote: http://apnews.excite.com/article/2012061...D41G2.html

Quote:LOS ANGELES (AP) - More than 35 years after William Lynch says he and his little brother were molested by a priest during a camping trip in the Santa Cruz Mountains, he will get his longtime wish to face the aging Jesuit in court for the first time. But it is Lynch who is going on trial.

Lynch, now 44, faces felony charges of assault and elder abuse after prosecutors say he beat the Rev. Jerold Lindner in front of startled witnesses at a retirement home for priests. In the months since his arrest, Lynch has refused to discuss a plea deal and has grown intent on using his own legal trouble to try Lindner in the court of public opinion in a potentially explosive proceeding likely to include testimony from Lynch, the priest and several more of his alleged victims.


Too bad I'm not on that jury.

Isn't that basically the plot for "Sleepers"? Big Grin
"How is it that a lame man does not annoy us while a lame mind does? Because a lame man recognizes that we are walking straight, while a lame mind says that it is we who are limping." - Pascal
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#17
RE: The wrong man on trial
The right man was arrested. Now while I agree with his emotional reaction, and I do not think his punishment should be as sever as say someone who beat a person for their wallet, we cannot as a society take the law into our own hands.

This was way after the fact. If the guy had been big enough at the time and beat the shit out of him upon the attempt, that would make more sense.

There are governments that can and do abuse their citizens with presumption of guilt and their are theocracies that have public executions over mere honor.

There was a national case of child abuse back in the 80s that got 13 people arrested, most did not get convicted, but 4 or 5 that worked at that daycare center spent time in jail. FALSELY, because of the zealous public and untrained police force. They pumped up the kids with stories and scared them into lying on the stand.

I really warn the "he had it coming" people that you cant simply uses Dirty Harry thinking. It is nice for Hollywood, but it sucks for the innocent in reality.

When we talk about human rights, the important thing LONG TERM is what would YOU personally want if you were falsely accused of something you know you did not do.

NOW, even outside the issue of crime it happens to all of us over minor things. A family member wants to know why you borrowed their shirt but it ended up where THEY put it. Or at work a tip is missing from the table, but it turned out the customer put it on their card, or didn't tip at all.

That is all minor stuff, but when it comes to being accused you don't have to like the nature of the charge, but everyone involved in the system, from the police, to the lawyers, to the judge, and the jury, to insure the rights of EVERYONE long term, facts, not emotions, are the only thing that can minimize mistakes.
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#18
RE: The wrong man on trial
The entire idea of a case not being able to be pursued because it's "too old" is frankly the most idiotic things our justice system has ever conceived. "Oh you escaped justice for 40 years? Well we might as well not even bother, right, guys? Let the victims be victims and let the guilty remain innocent!"

I hope he permanently crippled that old piece of shit so that the sick pedorast spends the rest of his useless fucking life breathing from a tube, eating from a tube, shitting and pissing into a tube, and completely devoid of any brain function. It's a good fucking thing it wasn't me or I would've cut the fucker open with a blunt hacksaw and made him watch as I pulled his entrails from his stomach to hang the subhuman piece of shit from. Anyone here whining about the "assailant" being in the wrong because he "took the law into his own hands" can go suck themselves because the fucking law decided to not do a fucking thing. When there's no law and no justice, you make your fucking own and anyone who disagrees with me, well, that's fine, we all have our differing opinions...but let's see you say the same thing, put into that man's shoes. That sick old piece of shit deserved far worse than what he got and whatever beating his former victim delivered on him was only a taste of the anguish the wrinkled old kiddybopper forced this guy and his brother to feel their entire fucking lives. My only complaint about what happened here was that Reverend Childbuggerer didn't get nailed to a fucking cross for three days.
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#19
RE: The wrong man on trial
(June 20, 2012 at 3:03 am)Moros Synackaon Wrote:
TFA Wrote:The Lynchs, who were 7 and 4 at the time, were raped in the woods and forced to have oral sex with each other while Lindner watched, according to a civil lawsuit. Lindner has been accused of abuse by nearly a dozen people, including his own sister and nieces and nephews, but was never criminally charged because the allegations were too old.

WHAT THE--!

If this man goes to prison, anyone up for letters of support?

The accused is quite clearly, and possibly permanently, traumatized by his experience.

I firmly support his desire to get justice, even at and past the point of fists if necessary.

Because this is the only way he can get closure now.

What protecting the Church over children hath wrought, this is it.

Not only am I up for it, I admin a Facebook page with a 20,000+ strong membership that is part of a huge network of other pages - all of whom I'm pretty sure I can get to back it - or any other action, too.
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RE: The wrong man on trial
(June 22, 2012 at 9:03 am)Creed of Heresy Wrote: spends the rest of his useless fucking life breathing from a tube, eating from a tube, shitting and pissing into a tube

yes, all the same tube.

taking the law into your own hands may not be right legally, but you absolutely CAN do it - evidence is in the story. i've done it and will continue to, if the 225 year old set of laws known as the constitution via the legal system doesn't perform as it should.
they can land a rover on mars, yet they still have to stick a human finger up my ass to do a prostate exam?! - ricky gervais
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