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RE: "You were never a true believer, then."
June 22, 2012 at 1:51 pm
(This post was last modified: June 22, 2012 at 1:53 pm by Welsh cake.)
This is what I don't get. I tell them I was a Christian and they throw out this undeserved and imbecilic No True Scotsman bollocks.
Here's the definition of a Christian:
Quote:A person who has received Christian baptism or is a believer in Jesus Christ and his teachings.
There's nothing in Christianity that stipulates one cannot stop believing in Jesus/god. The Bible acknowledges them as those who have "fallen away" or the devil snatched the message away from them.
But the idiots contradict their own scriptures because it worries them that Christians and former-Christians can be condemned in Hell. No doubt I'll have that G-C guy demand me for fucking Bible quotes any minute now because he doesn't bother to study his own holey book. They deny us as being once believers in Christ because it bothers them - they want a guarantee they and their "brothers and sisters in faith/spirit/Jesus/whatever" will get into magic man's dwelling place, fuck the human race, just as long as their slice-of-the-pie cult is safe that's all that matters.
It upsets them if they don't dismiss us because empathy coupled with cognitive dissonance arises and they question why couldn't their god simply strike us down or ended our existence before we fell away, and then lost our way along the straight and narrow.
They can deny reality all they want. Fact is: I'm not a Christian, but I was once a Christian.
But then again, some of them can't fathom that the universe is older than 6,000-10,000 years old, do you really expect they'll comprehend past, present and future tense either?
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RE: "You were never a true believer, then."
June 22, 2012 at 1:53 pm
They seem to be defining true believer as someone who won't change their mind no matter what.
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RE: "You were never a true believer, then."
June 22, 2012 at 3:39 pm
(This post was last modified: June 22, 2012 at 3:49 pm by Creed of Heresy.)
(June 22, 2012 at 9:45 am)pgrimes15 Wrote: The flip side to this issue is the number of times Christians say "I used to be an atheist". Upon further questioning they are usually talking about a time when they had stopped going to church and my response is "you were never a true atheist".
regards
grimesy
You know, I find that happening quite a bit with "former atheists," too...
(June 22, 2012 at 11:06 am)whateverist Wrote: It is definitely a defense mechanism. Straight up No True Scotsman.
Amongst we atheists you sometimes find some who are really believers but just really hurt or disappointed with some event they blame God for. You know these are really itching to kiss and make up. Being atheist for them is like holding their breath until they turn blue .. they can't really do it.
...and you pretty much hit the nail right on the head, there. I admit...sometimes I almost feel a bit like that. Not in the sense that I genuinely believe god was/is responsible, but in the sense that I can't help but bare my teeth whenever someone says god saved them from this that or the other. It's like "Oh really, did he now? So you're special and meanwhile my pleas fell on deaf ears, huh? Guess I wasn't worthy, eh? Hope that miracle makes you feel REAL good because in the time it took me to talk, about twenty women started being raped, eighty infants were born stillborn, another hundred-and-fifty or so have died of a disease, another of the same amount died of starvation, a little more than that died of dehydration, and George Bush made an additional $13,300 off of his stock options in the oil market. In other words; that miracle could have gone to a lot of other things. Enjoy the survivor's guilt."
(June 22, 2012 at 9:58 am)Faith No More Wrote: It's a defense mechanism. Rather than admit that a Christian finally realized they were deluding themselves, they have to claim that the Christian wasn't really a true Christian. What they feel through god is the real deal, so anyone who would give that up just wasn't doing it quite right.
Well of course we're not doing it right; we're supposed to be on our knees in the submission position, living like good little lambs, baa'ing for our grass and our shepherd to lead us to the promised lamb, not do things like look up from the herd, notice the shepherds are actually wolves in human clothing, run the fuck away, and pursue scientific works in an attempt to free the other docile, ignorant, ungrateful sheep from their own willful self-imposed enslavement.
How could you ever consider doing otherwise? For shame, FNM. ;D
(June 22, 2012 at 11:56 am)Minimalist Wrote: Quote:Ok, dickweeds, do tell me what a "true believer" is
All dickweeds think that THEY are true believers. See G-C around here as a prime example.
You speak the most delicious of truthiness as always. 
(June 22, 2012 at 1:51 pm)Welsh cake Wrote: This is what I don't get. I tell them I was a Christian and they throw out this undeserved and imbecilic No True Scotsman bollocks.
Here's the definition of a Christian:
Quote:A person who has received Christian baptism or is a believer in Jesus Christ and his teachings.
There's nothing in Christianity that stipulates one cannot stop believing in Jesus/god. The Bible acknowledges them as those who have "fallen away" or the devil snatched the message away from them.
But the idiots contradict their own scriptures because it worries them that Christians and former-Christians can be condemned in Hell. No doubt I'll have that G-C guy demand me for fucking Bible quotes any minute now because he doesn't bother to study his own holey book. They deny us as being once believers in Christ because it bothers them - they want a guarantee they and their "brothers and sisters in faith/spirit/Jesus/whatever" will get into magic man's dwelling place, fuck the human race, just as long as their slice-of-the-pie cult is safe that's all that matters.
It upsets them if they don't dismiss us because empathy coupled with cognitive dissonance arises and they question why couldn't their god simply strike us down or ended our existence before we fell away, and then lost our way along the straight and narrow.
They can deny reality all they want. Fact is: I'm not a Christian, but I was once a Christian.
To borrow an old word men like you and me once used for stupider, more time-wasting reasons: Amen.
Quote:But then again, some of them can't fathom that the universe is older than 6,000-10,000 years old, do you really expect they'll comprehend past, present and future tense either?
...Good point well made. 
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RE: "You were never a true believer, then."
June 23, 2012 at 8:08 pm
Do they say you were never a true believer because you don't believe now?
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RE: "You were never a true believer, then."
June 23, 2012 at 9:19 pm
(June 23, 2012 at 8:08 pm)rloh2001 Wrote: Do they say you were never a true believer because you don't believe now?
Pretty much.
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RE: "You were never a true believer, then."
June 23, 2012 at 10:19 pm
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Not a compliment at all,but an insult and logical fallacy. ( no true Scotsman)
Correct response; although you might feel like punching their ignorant lights out, probably wiser to just tell them to go fuck themselves. 
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