If torturing a good person forever is not evil than I don't know what is.
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Is becoming like God good or evil?
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(July 9, 2012 at 2:44 pm)Opsnyder Wrote: If torturing a good person forever is not evil than I don't know what is. Yes torturing a person would be wrong, God does not torture, He punishes because people choose to be punished. you will not find torture in scripture anywhere. Prove that God tortures and don't use the same old tiring bunk that is posted here all the time, show us something that the others haven't.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
(July 9, 2012 at 4:35 pm)Godschild Wrote:(July 9, 2012 at 2:44 pm)Opsnyder Wrote: If torturing a good person forever is not evil than I don't know what is. Shows how much you know about the bible. Look at Revelations 9:5-6; "they should be tormented for 5 months", or Revelations: 14:10-11 where it says "he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of holy angels" And before Drich comes here moaning about his precious "definations" torment is a synonym of torture.
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RE: Is becoming like God good or evil?
July 10, 2012 at 6:46 am
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(July 7, 2012 at 11:57 am)Godschild Wrote: A question that is interesting, I do believe that to become like God having a moral sense is evil, this is my reason, Adam and Eve had to commit an act of evil (disobey God) to become like God having a moral sense. This act cost mankind an innocence and cost man and God dearly. Well one second, thats a contradiction. You said Adam and Eve had to commit an act of evil (eating an apple, really?) to gain morale sense like God and then you say "God wants us to live as close to the standard that is who God is". Well obviously not otherwise he wouldn't of forbidden the eating of the apple in the first place and even if this was the case according to you its an act of evil. Unless of course you're saying hes changed his stance on the matter. At that point I would have to ask how an omnipotent being that already knows everything about everything throughout eternity would change his stance about anything. You could also be saying thats hes gone "Oh well, they've done it now. Might as well finish what they started." but again, he must of known all of this millennia in advance and this would make your morality interchangeable on Gods whim. How do you determine Gods whim? Based on this circumstance the whole Bible could be completely outdated, maybe hes re-evaluated everything. I mean the whole idea is filled with so many holes its absurd. If hes all knowing and has been for all time and would already have come to his decisions about everything then no mind-changing is required. If we ignore that then this entails his morale views are subject to change at a moments notice which would make it an immensely bad idea to assert certainty about the morality of any action. Which is it?
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- Abdul Alhazred. RE: Is becoming like God good or evil?
July 10, 2012 at 6:48 pm
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(July 10, 2012 at 4:55 am)Tobie Wrote:(July 9, 2012 at 4:35 pm)Godschild Wrote: Yes torturing a person would be wrong, God does not torture, He punishes because people choose to be punished. you will not find torture in scripture anywhere. Prove that God tortures and don't use the same old tiring bunk that is posted here all the time, show us something that the others haven't. One can be tormented without torture, simple really. (July 10, 2012 at 6:46 am)RaphielDrake Wrote:(July 7, 2012 at 11:57 am)Godschild Wrote: For someone who claimed (key word claimed) you know little if any thing about God and His scriptures. Adam and eve sinned because they disobeyed God, God made it clear there would be consequences to this action and there was. God has never changed His mind, and God needs not to prove things to Himself, He is proving to creation that God is absolutely righteous and just.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
When you are a being of ultimate and infinite power, there is nobody that can judge you. Good and evil no longer hold sway over a mind of infinite capacity. Read the bible, god is neither evil or good. But he is destructive.
Live every day as if already dead, that way you're not disappointed when you are.
(July 11, 2012 at 12:09 am)JohnDG Wrote: When you are a being of ultimate and infinite power, there is nobody that can judge you. Good and evil no longer hold sway over a mind of infinite capacity. Read the bible, god is neither evil or good. But he is destructive. Exactly what Bible did you read, it's not the one inspired by God. Christ himself said no one is good except God.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
What is god? What is good? What is evil?
This is stupid
RE: Is becoming like God good or evil?
July 11, 2012 at 4:28 am
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(July 11, 2012 at 12:59 am)Godschild Wrote:(July 11, 2012 at 12:09 am)JohnDG Wrote: When you are a being of ultimate and infinite power, there is nobody that can judge you. Good and evil no longer hold sway over a mind of infinite capacity. Read the bible, god is neither evil or good. But he is destructive. The one where he drowns tens of millions of people in a great flood, the one where he kills the first born son of every egyptian, the one where he forces the first human beings to commit incest. Should I keep going on?
Live every day as if already dead, that way you're not disappointed when you are.
(July 11, 2012 at 4:28 am)JohnDG Wrote:(July 11, 2012 at 12:59 am)Godschild Wrote: Exactly what Bible did you read, it's not the one inspired by God. Christ himself said no one is good except God. Please do.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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