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RE: Is becoming like God good or evil?
July 24, 2012 at 4:00 pm
(July 24, 2012 at 2:12 pm)Godschild Wrote: (July 24, 2012 at 9:33 am)Greatest I am Wrote: They died because God denied them access to the tree of life.
That is murder to any man with half a brain.
As to the limits of A & E's free will. They had no free will as shown the first time they did their will and not God's.
Yes he threw a fit all over them.
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They died because they disobeyed God, God told them the consequences of their disobedience and He was true to His word. Why you can not see something so simple is beyond understanding.
God did not allow them to eat of the Tree of Life because they would have lived forever in sin and been without any chance to escape the consequences of such a miserable life, God through His grace had mercy on them.
It's simply astounding how irresponsible the way you see scripture reads, even a child can discern scripture better than you can.
Sure. Meanwhile you end up accepting a God who will murder his children for disobeying a command to stay stupid the way any person with a brain will.
Will you kill your children for disobeying you?
You will you pathetic mind if you follow your genocidal son murderer.
Nice morals. Just do not expect to get to heaven thinking of how grand human sacrifice is and how you should profit from it.
You are going straight to hell with such morals.
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RE: Is becoming like God good or evil?
July 24, 2012 at 11:13 pm
(July 24, 2012 at 4:00 pm)Greatest I am Wrote: (July 24, 2012 at 2:12 pm)Godschild Wrote: They died because they disobeyed God, God told them the consequences of their disobedience and He was true to His word. Why you can not see something so simple is beyond understanding.
God did not allow them to eat of the Tree of Life because they would have lived forever in sin and been without any chance to escape the consequences of such a miserable life, God through His grace had mercy on them.
It's simply astounding how irresponsible the way you see scripture reads, even a child can discern scripture better than you can.
Sure. Meanwhile you end up accepting a God who will murder his children for disobeying a command to stay stupid the way any person with a brain will.
Will you kill your children for disobeying you?
You will you pathetic mind if you follow your genocidal son murderer.
Nice morals. Just do not expect to get to heaven thinking of how grand human sacrifice is and how you should profit from it.
You are going straight to hell with such morals.
Regards
DL
We'll see who winds up in hell, moderators this is just in response to what was said to me.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Is becoming like God good or evil?
July 24, 2012 at 11:15 pm
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(July 24, 2012 at 11:13 pm)Godschild Wrote: (July 24, 2012 at 4:00 pm)Greatest I am Wrote: Sure. Meanwhile you end up accepting a God who will murder his children for disobeying a command to stay stupid the way any person with a brain will.
Will you kill your children for disobeying you?
You will you pathetic mind if you follow your genocidal son murderer.
Nice morals. Just do not expect to get to heaven thinking of how grand human sacrifice is and how you should profit from it.
You are going straight to hell with such morals.
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We'll see who winds up in hell, moderators this is just in response to what was said to me.
Out of interest, if the moderators did not change their views to be in-line with your particular religion before they died would they also go to hell regardless of how moral or fair-minded they were?
Just curious.
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RE: Is becoming like God good or evil?
July 25, 2012 at 12:35 am
(July 24, 2012 at 11:15 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote: (July 24, 2012 at 11:13 pm)Godschild Wrote: We'll see who winds up in hell, moderators this is just in response to what was said to me.
Out of interest, if the moderators did not change their views to be in-line with your particular religion before they died would they also go to hell regardless of how moral or fair-minded they were?
Just curious.
The comment to the mods was to hopefully not get warned for preaching since it was directed at me, as for the moderators salvation you know the answer to that question.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Is becoming like God good or evil?
July 25, 2012 at 7:38 am
You fathom the unfathomable well enough to know.
How droll.
You certainly do not have a clue of good morals as you let innocent blood pay for your ticket to heaven.
You missed that hell is your destination for trying to ride your scapegoat into heaven.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF6I5VSZVqc
Better to shovel coal in hell than to spend eternity in heaven watching friends, neighbors and our children in torture and flame forever.
Only a sick mind would conceive of such a situation or wish it upon anyone. That is why God would not do such because then, heaven would be hell.
If those in heaven did not go insane then they could not have once been human or good.
You should think of hell just a bit and recognize that God would not create such an immoral construct. Lose your barbaric tribal mentality. We are in 2012, not 112.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9FKn4rKX...re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTpJ8PGT2...re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaL7CkQaQ...re=related
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RE: Is becoming like God good or evil?
July 25, 2012 at 12:13 pm
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(July 25, 2012 at 12:35 am)Godschild Wrote: (July 24, 2012 at 11:15 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote: Out of interest, if the moderators did not change their views to be in-line with your particular religion before they died would they also go to hell regardless of how moral or fair-minded they were?
Just curious.
The comment to the mods was to hopefully not get warned for preaching since it was directed at me, as for the moderators salvation you know the answer to that question.
Now you're telling me what I *know*? I think I'm the judge of that.
Now while I suspect the answer I can't possibly know and I definitely can't testify to the knowledge of others so educate us, what is the answer to the question:
"Out of interest, if the moderators did not change their views to be in-line with your particular religion before they died would they also go to hell regardless of how moral or fair-minded they were?"
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RE: Is becoming like God good or evil?
July 25, 2012 at 4:19 pm
I didn't eat fruit from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil.
If there's a God and he condemns mankind to pain, sickness, poverty and death because he essentially played mind games with his first two humans, then you who worship this God worship a real bastard. Because a) I would never bait anyone (especially my own children, at a point in their development when they have no wisdom to speak of) into such a trap, and b) even if I felt inclined to punish them for springing the trap, that punishment, or any I would hand out for any reason, would affect only the specific individuals responsible for the offense.
You'd be better off worshiping me. I'm not a god, but I'm also not a sociopathic jackass.
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RE: Is becoming like God good or evil?
July 25, 2012 at 6:30 pm
(July 25, 2012 at 4:19 pm)Ryantology Wrote: I didn't eat fruit from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil.
If there's a God and he condemns mankind to pain, sickness, poverty and death because he essentially played mind games with his first two humans, then you who worship this God worship a real bastard. Because a) I would never bait anyone (especially my own children, at a point in their development when they have no wisdom to speak of) into such a trap, and b) even if I felt inclined to punish them for springing the trap, that punishment, or any I would hand out for any reason, would affect only the specific individuals responsible for the offense.
You'd be better off worshiping me. I'm not a god, but I'm also not a sociopathic jackass.
You see 20/20 God or not.
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RE: Is becoming like God good or evil?
July 25, 2012 at 6:47 pm
Godschild Wrote:The plan could not have been made fool proof or any other proof, this would have eliminated choice, the choice to obey, this was God's plan, to give man freedom to choose. God did not want it to happen the way it did, He allowed man through choice to set the future. (Bolding mine)
So, are you saying that even though God did not want it to happen that way, he allowed the actions of two people to condemn the billions to come, because the ability to choose was what he cherished most? Don't Christians say that God gives us free-will, so we can make the decision to love him? Doesn't that mean that God prioritizes love from his creation over its suffering?
And what about the idea that God could have tested A&E's loyalty without condemning the rest of the human race?
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RE: Is becoming like God good or evil?
July 26, 2012 at 1:16 am
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(July 25, 2012 at 4:19 pm)Ryantology Wrote: I didn't eat fruit from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil.
If there's a God and he condemns mankind to pain, sickness, poverty and death because he essentially played mind games with his first two humans, then you who worship this God worship a real bastard. Because a) I would never bait anyone (especially my own children, at a point in their development when they have no wisdom to speak of) into such a trap, and b) even if I felt inclined to punish them for springing the trap, that punishment, or any I would hand out for any reason, would affect only the specific individuals responsible for the offense.
You'd be better off worshiping me. I'm not a god, but I'm also not a sociopathic jackass.
What part of scripture says God did not give them complete understanding as adult people? I seemed to have miss that part that said they were child like. Who lied to you?
(July 25, 2012 at 6:47 pm)Faith No More Wrote: Godschild Wrote:The plan could not have been made fool proof or any other proof, this would have eliminated choice, the choice to obey, this was God's plan, to give man freedom to choose. God did not want it to happen the way it did, He allowed man through choice to set the future. (Bolding mine)
So, are you saying that even though God did not want it to happen that way, he allowed the actions of two people to condemn the billions to come, because the ability to choose was what he cherished most? Don't Christians say that God gives us free-will, so we can make the decision to love him? Doesn't that mean that God prioritizes love from his creation over its suffering?
And what about the idea that God could have tested A&E's loyalty without condemning the rest of the human race?
Your choices show your love for God, without the choices you have no way of showing your love for God. You actually answered your own question in the bold above. Choosing to love, bet you didn't see that one coming, hey.
God allowed man to chose the future, it was not a loyalty test, that's a ridiculous assumption, it was a choice of love and they chose to disobey and allow sin to enter a perfect creation.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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