Trying to see the "positive" of Christianity.

[Mystic]

Frodo, I understand you said the holy spirit makes you know. But I'm asking how you can know a particular verse is from God by the holy spirit. Words are words, I understand holy spirit making you know right from wrong, making you know spiritual knowledge, but I don't understand how it can make you know a verse is from God. Perhaps you can explain.

[Whateverist]

Frodo, I understand you said the holy spirit makes you know. But I'm asking how you can know a particular verse is from God by the holy spirit. Words are words, I understand holy spirit making you know right from wrong, making you know spiritual knowledge, but I don't understand how it can make you know a verse is from God. Perhaps you can explain.

I'm having a sale today, my two cents worth absolutely free. If you are saying you already accept something like the holy spirit as guiding you morally and in "spiritual knowledge" (whatever that might mean), why would you balk at accepting it as a divining rod for picking out the real McCoy God-inspired verses? When you have this much woo on your hands it seems odd to suggest Frodo might be taking it just a notch to far.

[Mystic]

Frodo, I understand you said the holy spirit makes you know. But I'm asking how you can know a particular verse is from God by the holy spirit. Words are words, I understand holy spirit making you know right from wrong, making you know spiritual knowledge, but I don't understand how it can make you know a verse is from God. Perhaps you can explain.

I'm having a sale today, my two cents worth absolutely free. If you are saying you already accept something like the holy spirit as guiding you morally and in "spiritual knowledge" (whatever that might mean), why would you balk at accepting it as a divining rod for picking out the real McCoy God-inspired verses? When you have this much woo on your hands it seems odd to suggest Frodo might be taking it just a notch to far.

Well I don't believe the holy spirit, but I can understand it bestowing spiritual knowledge from their perspective. What I can't understand is how just words can be known to be true by it. Spiritual knowledge like "it's good to love your neighbours"...I can relate to because the holy spirit is suppose to be like the moral voice in humanity..but just seeing some words and knowing it's from God, I don't understand at all.

[Whateverist]

Well I don't believe the holy spirit, but I can understand it bestowing spiritual knowledge from their perspective. What I can't understand is how just words can be known to be true by it. Spiritual knowledge like "it's good to love your neighbours"...I can relate to because the holy spirit is suppose to be like the moral voice in humanity..but just seeing some words and knowing it's from God, I don't understand at all.

Good for you. My biggest complaint with the faith of Christians is how quickly they are ready to trade it in on the certainty of the bible and its power to provide them with their existential marching orders .. from God no less.

[Taqiyya Mockingbird]

You said "scripture is inspired."
[what] is that ("inspired") supposed to mean?

Ooh - something I can respond to!

It wasn't any harder the first time I asked it.

People were 'inspired' to write it down. Vie logical deduction we deduce that their source of inspiration was god.

Repeating it over and over doesn't define it. Are you claiming this god-figure dictated to these people or somehow got inside their heads and moved their hands to write down the words, and they wrote down its words and/or thoughts directly?

Now you would disagree with that, not having a 'god' allowance in your world view.

What world view? rather presumptuous of you.

So it might be difficult for you to imagine.

Difficult to imagine? Not at all. But your hiding behind vagueness and obfuscation doesn't help your case any.

Sufffice to say, if you refuse to consider the question, you shouldn't expect to see an answer.

My asking you to define your terms IS my considering the question. Don't be a disingenuous fuck.

[Wow I can imagine the word salad that this'll 'inspire' ]

Yes, and we can see it highlighted in red below:

Where as you answer everything straightforward and to the point, right fr0d0? :-)

So did you see my answers on the other thread... reason for you to desist with the soft torment in your sig yet?

Three very short and simple questions and I think everyone will agree they're rather important to discerning your views:
Is the old testament from God?
Is the new testament from God?
How can you tell whats from God and what isn't?

Asking questions for the crowd still I see. I guess that means I HAVE to answer you because NOT TO ANSWER would be held up for ridicule because "Well why can't this person answer a reasonable question!!!" Oh NOES!!!

So lets me see.

I said: "all of the bible is inspired by God."

You said: "is the OT and the NT inspirted by God."
*thinks for a minute * ...Yes!

You said: "How can you tell whats from God and what isn't?"

I said: (you know I've never EVER heard that question asked on this forrum beforre! I must praise you for your inventiveness! Kudos! ) "THS (That's [T]he [H]oly [S]pirit lovver) is a tool for discernment, as well as your teaching and reasoning powers. Our source of knowledge is the bible"

You said: "How can you tell whats from God and what isn't?"
You know lovver, I get the feeling that you aren't listening to me here. I might be hurt, but I know your intentions are honourable. Love ya!

You failed to answer raphael's question.

[fr0d0]

The Bible is a highly interrogated collection of texts. I trust it, as I trust that the church fathers and others that compiled it, by means of my own study, to be as perfect as it can be. Before I moved to that position of trust, I was as skeptical as yourselves. Once you trust and accept it as correct, the proof of the pudding is in the eating. Yes, I ate it. Wait, no. No I didn't.

[Opsnyder]

There is nothing positive in Christianity. Stupid bullshit it is. Even if there is something good it's only by accident.

[Mystic]

The Bible is a highly interrogated collection of texts. I trust it, as I trust that the church fathers and others that compiled it, by means of my own study, to be as perfect as it can be. Before I moved to that position of trust, I was as skeptical as yourselves. Once you trust and accept it as correct, the proof of the pudding is in the eating. Yes, I ate it. Wait, no. No I didn't.

This is why I was asking earlier, is that you can know each verse is from God by virtue of the verse itself, or is the whole book or whole chapters, and if it's the latter, how would you know, if individually you can't know?

For the pudding example, is it the whole experience of the bible or is it each and every instance of the bible that it's you knowing it's divine?

I know I felt Quran was Divine before, but that was through belief. If you believe, it feels it's from the divine, since that it is what you believe.

[Godscreated]

There is nothing positive in Christianity. Stupid bullshit it is. Even if there is something good it's only by accident.

Proof please, and don't throw around the same old and tiring bunk that appears here all the time, seen it to many times.

[Thor]

There is nothing positive in Christianity. Stupid bullshit it is. Even if there is something good it's only by accident.

Proof please, and don't throw around the same old and tiring bunk that appears here all the time, seen it to many times.

I think it's going a bit far to say there is "nothing positive in Christianity". Almost everything has something positive. Even Hitler did some positive things. Likewise, Christ-inanity has some positive things. Love thy neighbor, don't steal or kill, etc... There are some positive messages. Problem is, the good stuff comes wrapped in a whole bunch of bullshit.