Good question about life

[Jeffonthenet]

I am a Christian, but I would agree with the atheists here that this was not a good argument that you came across. However, academic Christians such as William Lane Craig do have pretty good argument. If you start the video below at 4:30 and watch for a few minutes you can see at least one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ssq-S5M8wsY

[Desecrated]

You might as well ask, "why do we breathe?" Why are you breathing right now? Why do you feel an impulse to keep breathing? Wouldn't a newborn simply feel the same impulse?

I don't know if it is as easy to start doing something you've never done as it is to continue doing something you have always done.

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No idea who hopmike is. I guess he sounds like a swedish guy then because that is what I am
Do a google search for desecrated productions. I'm the owner of that company.

I cringed when Google spit back a bunch of sound files. I immediately feared that I was in store for an amateur Skrillex wannabe. I was pleasantly surprised.

I wish you continued success. 'Ghettometal 2' has a Poisonblack/Bill Conti feel. Odd combination I know, but that's what I thought of when I listened. (I know Poisonblack are Finnish. Just referencing their sound.)

Thank you, I've never heard of poisonblack , but I will check them out now-

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Yeah, how do you reason with christians if you don't know your bible? It's like having a discussion with a communist without having read marx.

House picture

You can't speak to them rationally, but you can try and speak their own language.

[The Grand Nudger]

Air hunger and reflexes are difficult to explain? Some mysterious force at work when Good Ole Doctor So and So taps your knee with his little mallet? No.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyspnea
(doesn't just happen when we're born, its a recurring issue, and not just a turn of phrase the author decided to use)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primitive_reflexes
(speaking of reflexes, here are some more that are, apparently, unique to newborns -for the most part-)

Any of the references in either article will lead you down a rabbit hole of interesting little bits of information with regards to whatever specific interests you. I'm personally fascinated with the reduction of seemingly complex or "mysterious" behaviours to machinery (why I love plants so much). There is a great deal of human behavior and biology that is currently hazy or less than fully understood, breathing isn't one of those things.

On a related note, it's a good thing that many biological functions reduce down to machinery. Life has so many ways of getting shit wrong that the simplest most idiot-proof variety of any givin solution is likely to be far more represented in living organisms than some exotic and complicated biota....which is precisely what we see when we go out looking for the hows and whys.

Consider the phrase "Don't forget to breathe." There would be far fewer breathing things in existence if this were actually possible (and the survivors would be monstrously good at consciously directed multi-tasking).

[Skepsis]

I am a Christian, but I would agree with the atheists here that this was not a good argument that you came across. However, academic Christians such as William Lane Craig do have pretty good argument. If you start the video below at 4:30 and watch for a few minutes you can see at least one.

Lol, WLC an "Academic Christian".

Anyone can look back at old apologetics, slap their modifications on, and use it in the contemporary era; theists haven't gotten any smarter from the time the argument was originally concocted, so it doesn't suprise me that they gobble it up now, too.

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

IF you compare WLC with say Ray Comfort or Ken Ham ( the bloke with a face like a peeled penis),the man is intellectual giant. However, if you compare him with a real scholar, such as say Richard Dawkins ( Phd Oxford) WLC is a village idiot,just like most of the apologist we have on this forum.


His claim to fame:

Craig's primary contribution to philosophy of religion is his revival of the Kalām cosmological argument. In The Kalām Cosmological Argument, he formulates the argument in the following manner:

Everything that begins to exist has a cause of its existence.
The universe began to exist.
Therefore, the universe has a cause of its existence.[8]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Lane_Craig


IF the premise is true (which is actually arguable) the conclusion does not infer God. We are left with "what caused God?". The claim "God is the exception" is a logical fallacy called 'special pleading' which abrogates the premise.

Oh,Craig is also a member of "The Discovery Institute" ,which says all that is necessary to say about the depth of his scholastic rigour.

[Mystic]

IF the premise is true (which is actually arguable) the conclusion does not infer God. We are left with "what caused God?". The claim "God is the exception" is a logical fallacy called 'special pleading' which abrogates the premise.

(a) Has a beginning.
(b) has a cause.

a -> b is equivalent to not b -> not a.

Doesn't have a cause, implies it doesn't have a beginning.

Well something is without cause, it can't be the universe since that has a beginning.

[Cyberman]

Stimbo entered thread expecting good question about life. Stimbo has a disappoint about false advertising. Stimbo about to leave when:

A wild "Two Citations" Craig appeared!

Stimbo used: Derisory Laughter

It's super-effective!

"Two Citations" trips over its own stale argument and ends up in a sad, crumpled heap.

Use Pokéball (Y/N)?

Stimbo decides not to bother.

[J.D.]

I'm not a christian myself, but I got a pretty good question recently that I was not able to answer with satisfaction. So I registered here in hope of getting some help with this.

-Why is is that we just start breathing on our own? There has to be some sort of force in the universe that activates this.

You mean that simply because you don't understand how something works, it must me a "force in the universe" that explains it? I guess if you mean a natural law or physical phenomena, then yes I believe that is the case, but if you mean there must be a supernatural force, like a god, than I say no, that would be horse shit.

[Annik]

It's an instinct, just as suckling at a teet is instinct. Not very mysterious to me. :/

[Cinjin]

I assure you the answer is not fucking "jesus."

Genesis 2:7

then the LORD God formed the man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living creature.

isaiah 42:5

Thus says God, the LORD, who created the heavens and stretched them out, who spread out the earth and what comes from it, who gives breath to the people on it and spirit to those who walk in it:

job 33:4
The Spirit of God has made me, and the breath of the Almighty gives me life.

Whats up with this response to Min's post??? This is the response of a christian. Why are you quoting scripture in an effort to refute Min??? Are you a believer in god??? I don't understand this thread. What exactly is your point?? Are you trying to prove that your god does indeed exist or not?????


Explain yourself sir.