Is Christianity Illogical?

[spockrates]

In what way have I been dishonest?

Shifting the burden of proof, you take your god as logical by default, and claiming other people to provide explanations of why shouldn't we believe. It was a nice rehash try of that old chestnut, hence dihonest by its nature of being a plain petitio principii.

Not sure I understand, yet. How would you word my opening post if you were me? What question would be more sincere than the one I posed?

[Gambit]

If there is good evidence for the existence of God, it has not been presented. In my view it is illogical to accept something as true with such limited, reliable or testable data to go on. Religions cannot even agree amongst themselves on the definition of God, let alone what qualifies as proof of such an entity's existence.

What logical steps would you suggest that we take, in order to determine that the claims made by Christianity are true? Christianity itself is not illogical, as we can use logical steps to examine what it is. however, the claims that Christians make are illogical, quite simply, because they do not follow a logical path. An example of this is as follows:

The bible is the infallible word of God
Therefore God exists.

In this example the person arguing for the existence of the Christian God jumps right from a preposition to a conclusion. It's a simple example, but it shows one of the fundamental logical flaws in the Christian argument. In between the preposition and conclusion, once must take the logical step of proving that the preposition is true; otherwise it is just an unsupported opinion. To date, no one has been able to fill in the black space.

[spockrates]

But isn't true that we are all slaves to something, or someone? I know many Christians who feel liberated by their faith, rather than enslaved. The God in whom the trust sets them free from the evil they hate in themselves, and free to do the good they are too weak to do alone. Rather than weaken them, God empowers them, they say.

They at first become liberated, but only end up enslaved once more.

Can one truly be enslaved by one with whom he completely agrees? Consider a man who marries the perfect woman for him: Would you say his relationship enslaves him? If so, why?

[Tobie]

They at first become liberated, but only end up enslaved once more.

Can one truly be enslaved by one with whom he completely agrees? Consider a man who marries the perfect woman for him: Would you say his relationship enslaves him? If so, why?

The biblical god is in no way like a perfect woman. A perfect woman wouldn't stop you doing stuff you wouldn't enjoy for some weird sense of gratification, wouldn't make you sit/kneel for ages in her house whilst she lectures you, and wouldn't commit genocide or tell others to.

[LastPoet]

Here ya go:

If so, please explain why. If not, please explain why a logical person should still not become, or remain Christian.

If I wanted to keep any integrity:

Title: Can Christianity be Logical?

If so, please explain why. If not, please explain why a logical person should still remain Christian.

As asked by you. Enjoy.

[spockrates]

If there is good evidence for the existence of God, it has not been presented. In my view it is illogical to accept something as true with such limited, reliable or testable data to go on. Religions cannot even agree amongst themselves on the definition of God, let alone what qualifies as proof of such an entity's existence.

What logical steps would you suggest that we take, in order to determine that the claims made by Christianity are true? Christianity itself is not illogical, as we can use logical steps to examine what it is. however, the claims that Christians make are illogical, quite simply, because they do not follow a logical path. An example of this is as follows:

The bible is the infallible word of God
Therefore God exists.

In this example the person arguing for the existence of the Christian God jumps right from a preposition to a conclusion. It's a simple example, but it shows one of the fundamental logical flaws in the Christian argument. In between the preposition and conclusion, once must take the logical step of proving that the preposition is true; otherwise it is just an unsupported opinion. To date, no one has been able to fill in the black space.

Yes, I quite agree that is illogical, and that Christians who believe such are being illogical. But does such irrational thinking on the part of some prove that all Christians think the same?

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Here ya go:

If so, please explain why. If not, please explain why a logical person should still not become, or remain Christian.

If I wanted to keep any integrity:

Title: Can Christianity be Logical?

If so, please explain why. If not, please explain why a logical person should still remain Christian.

As asked by you. Enjoy.

Good talking with you!

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Can one truly be enslaved by one with whom he completely agrees? Consider a man who marries the perfect woman for him: Would you say his relationship enslaves him? If so, why?

The biblical god is in no way like a perfect woman. A perfect woman wouldn't stop you doing stuff you wouldn't enjoy for some weird sense of gratification, wouldn't make you sit/kneel for ages in her house whilst she lectures you, and wouldn't commit genocide or tell others to.

How do you know that the God you describe is the God who is, rather than a misconception?

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Tobie:

Regarding God getting gratification from one's actions, isn't this what you and I consider normal, instead of weird? Let's say you had a friend who was engaging in some dangerous, or destructive behavior. Would it be weird to advise her to change her behavior? Would it be wrong to feel glad if she took your advice to heart and did as you suggested?

[LastPoet]

So your conception of god is the right one? How righteous of you

[spockrates]

So your conception of god is the right one? How righteous of you

I don't pretend to know God very well, or with any certainty, but I am willing to question anything I know. As Socrates said:

"Wise I would not call us. Lovers of Wisdom (or philosophers) is a more fitting description."

(Phaedrus 278)

[Annik]

Christianity is illogical because there is not evidence for it (so why believe) and even if there was some evidence of gods, what makes you think it would be the Christian one? It doesn't make any sense. Plus, the Bible is riddled with inconsistency. Instead of changing it, it's explained away.

[spockrates]

Gambit:

Perhaps this would be a more complete and logical argument?

1. The Old Testament contains predictions of the future
2. These predictions are specific and verifiable
3. They are predictions their authors could never have known would occur
4. Only a God, or someone from the future would know the future with 100% accuracy 100% of the time
Therefore
A. The writing of the Old Testament was guided by God, or someone from the future


I'm thinking the 4 premises support the conclusion (A) and so the conclusion might be true, as long as none of the premises are proven untrue. How about you? What do you think?