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Are cats atheists?
#11
RE: Are cats atheists?
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Going by my own cat, if she cannot eat, kill, or sleep on top of God, she has no reason to believe in him.
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#12
RE: Are cats atheists?
(July 20, 2012 at 12:56 am)MysticKnight Wrote:
(July 20, 2012 at 12:40 am)Jeffonthenet Wrote: So then, by your logic, it seems to me that atheism would be a choice and not just the default belief.

Let's say you hear about Islam, and you are undecided. You haven't disbelieved in it yet. But when you know about it's teachings, and you don't believe in it, then you disbelieved in it.

I disbelieved it, but I think I did so for reasons and not just the absence of reasons.

Quote:Atheists on the other hand, when presented with God concept, chose to disbelieve in it, because they aren't aware of any evidence, and that there is no reason to believe in God, and it seemed to them that they don't know God exists.

It seems to me that they disbelieved it for a reason. The reason is that they don't see enough evidence to believe. However, this reason, that there is not enough evidence to believe, is up for debate, and itself seems to need rational warrant as it is not self-evident as 1+1=2.

(July 20, 2012 at 12:50 am)Minimalist Wrote: Yes. Cats are atheists. They are far smarter than xtians.

If your definition of atheism means that cats and trees are atheists, I submit that your definition is flawed.

(July 20, 2012 at 12:59 am)aleialoura Wrote:
(July 20, 2012 at 12:51 am)Jeffonthenet Wrote: From the fact that there are many of X fabricated, it doesn't follow that all X are fabricated. I used to be an atheist and considered all gods the product of human imagination until I had an experience of God which I found it near impossible to doubt.

You had an experience in your psyche, most likely. Your god doesn't exist. Ask any cat.

You say you had an experience of god….

Unlikely things happen.

Quote:What has god ever done for you that you didn't really do yourself?

He has given me a new heart and experience of satisfaction beyond even words can explain fully. He has forgiven my sins and made a way for me to access Him by the faith he gives to me.
"the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate" (1 Cor. 1:19)
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#13
RE: Are cats atheists?
(July 20, 2012 at 1:06 am)Jeffonthenet Wrote: I disbelieved it, but I think I did so for reasons and not just the absence of reasons.

That's fine, but disbelieving it based on absence of evidence is fine as well.

Quote:It seems to me that they disbelieved it for a reason. The reason is that they don't see enough evidence to believe. However, this reason, that there is not enough evidence to believe, is up for debate, and itself seems to need rational warrant as it is not self-evident as 1+1=2.

Well they can disbelieve in it if they aren't convinced of God existing when presented with the concept. Usually people don't dismiss an idea, without seeing if there is an evidence. Atheists usually did look up evidence for God and found them to be unconvincing. Whether they are convincing to you or to others, is a different matter. Whether they are sound arguments is another issue.

But Atheists are allowed to make mistakes like all humans, and if they are unconvinced, they are unconvinced.

Most Theists don't believe on God based on arguments and are not informed of philosophical or scientific arguments for a Creator. They simply believing without knowing why they do.
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#14
RE: Are cats atheists?
(July 20, 2012 at 1:06 am)Jeffonthenet Wrote:
Quote:What has god ever done for you that you didn't really do yourself?

He has given me a new heart and experience of satisfaction beyond even words can explain fully. He has forgiven my sins and made a way for me to access Him by the faith he gives to me.

It's all in your head. Don't you think that all the people who have or do believe in other gods feel the same way? Just not about your particular god. It's you who has had the change of attitude, and you who have satisfied yourself. The fact that you did it by believing in some imaginary sky father is relevant, I suppose, and speaks to your character... but which imaginary sky father is completely irrelevant.
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#15
RE: Are cats atheists?
(July 20, 2012 at 12:31 am)Jeffonthenet Wrote: Atheists are generally very clear that they want atheism to be defined as a lack of belief in God, and not the belief or claim that there is no God. If this is so, why aren't cats and trees and birds and mentally challenged people who cannot think about things like the supernatural realm atheists?--they all lack belief in God too.
Cats and trees and birds? You seriously considered and listed those as examples of candidates for possible atheists? Really?

You're being really puerile here Jeff.

If we're at a party and I ask you "who do you think here are married?" do I have to tell you I'm talking about people to get you to stop listing all the billions of single celled organisms and other critters lurking in the room too?


(July 20, 2012 at 12:38 am)MysticKnight Wrote: The way I understand disbelief, is that it means you chose not to believe in something when presented with the idea.
You don't fully understand what "disbelief" means then.

It can also mean a lack of belief in something. GOOGLE IT NOW.
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#16
RE: Are cats atheists?
Quote:From the fact that there are many of X fabricated, it doesn't follow that all X are fabricated.


Ahhhhh...... and I bet you think that YOUR god is the special one, huh?
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#17
RE: Are cats atheists?
(July 20, 2012 at 12:31 am)Jeffonthenet Wrote: Atheists are generally very clear that they want atheism to be defined as a lack of belief in God, and not the belief or claim that there is no God. If this is so, why aren't cats and trees and birds and mentally challenged people who cannot think about things like the supernatural realm atheists?--they all lack belief in God too.

My cat is Christian. I just got her baptized with the hose last week. My dog on the other hand is Jewish, he had a Bark Mitzvah and everything.
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#18
RE: Are cats atheists?
Are you sure about that cat? Cats are notoriously sneaky.

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#19
RE: Are cats atheists?
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/-ist

It would depend if you consider cats people or not.
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#20
RE: Are cats atheists?
All Dogs Go To Heaven all cats get burned alive while being raped by goat horned demons..... praise Jesus
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