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RE: I know how the universe was created
July 20, 2012 at 6:28 am
I'm exactly the same as you, except I can see no reason to discount either a god or a natural solution at the moment. Existence requires an explanation, which we have no answer for at the moment, and I'm sceptical that science will provide the evidence to account for existence, on that basis I don't discount a god.
A lack of belief, or disbelief are just interchangeable to me, it's pure semantics rather than a difference in perspective. So it's not something I would commit to, particularly given my scepticism to suitable evidence being obtained.
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RE: I know how the universe was created
July 20, 2012 at 6:36 am
(July 20, 2012 at 6:28 am)Selliedjoup Wrote: I'm exactly the same as you, except I can see no reason to discount either a god or a natural solution at the moment. Existence requires an explanation, which we have no answer for at the moment, and I'm sceptical that science will provide the evidence to account for existence, on that basis I don't discount a god.
A lack of belief, or disbelief are just interchangeable to me, it's pure semantics rather than a difference in perspective. So it's not something I would commit to, particularly given my scepticism to suitable evidence being obtained.
I lack belief in god for the simple reason that I've seen no evidence or good reason to rule in a god. Science is so far the best method we have available to find out the truth. It's not perfect but it works pretty well.
With the help of science, I can provide at the very least a basic explanation to how everything got here. And so I'm satisfied with that. Science is developing ever more technology and is gaining ever more knowledge.
Still looking into virtual particles because they interest me. They show that things really can pop in and out of existence naturally. Self created and self destroyed. And without violating the laws of nature.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan
Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.
Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.
You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
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RE: I know how the universe was created
July 20, 2012 at 6:57 am
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(July 20, 2012 at 6:28 am)Selliedjoup Wrote: I'm exactly the same as you, except I can see no reason to discount either a god or a natural solution at the moment. Existence requires an explanation, which we have no answer for at the moment, and I'm sceptical that science will provide the evidence to account for existence, on that basis I don't discount a god.
A lack of belief, or disbelief are just interchangeable to me, it's pure semantics rather than a difference in perspective. So it's not something I would commit to, particularly given my scepticism to suitable evidence being obtained.
Translation: "I have to believe, ergo I believe, and I prefer to be skeptical of logical explanations, rather than baseless claims, because they might prove what I believe wrong and I cannot handle it."
Quote:I find it fascinating the dependence many atheists place on these fluctuations. It almost seems like conjecture.
He says to an agnostic man who has professed many times over to simply be interested in the learning and not the arguing...
I find it fascinating the amount of weight you put into the unfounded and baseless and how much skepticism you instead choose to heap on stuff that actually makes far more sense and can be tested and proven.
Quote:Sceptical... sceptical... sceptical...
You mean skeptical? Either way...
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RE: I know how the universe was created
July 20, 2012 at 7:03 am
(July 20, 2012 at 6:28 am)Selliedjoup Wrote: I'm exactly the same as you, except I can see no reason to discount either a god or a natural solution at the moment. Existence requires an explanation, which we have no answer for at the moment, and I'm sceptical that science will provide the evidence to account for existence, on that basis I don't discount a god.
A lack of belief, or disbelief are just interchangeable to me, it's pure semantics rather than a difference in perspective. So it's not something I would commit to, particularly given my scepticism to suitable evidence being obtained.
Wow, because science doesn't have have all the answers(yet) therefore god.
Gee, what a compelling argument.........
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RE: I know how the universe was created
July 20, 2012 at 7:04 am
(July 20, 2012 at 7:03 am)Zen Badger Wrote: (July 20, 2012 at 6:28 am)Selliedjoup Wrote: I'm exactly the same as you, except I can see no reason to discount either a god or a natural solution at the moment. Existence requires an explanation, which we have no answer for at the moment, and I'm sceptical that science will provide the evidence to account for existence, on that basis I don't discount a god.
A lack of belief, or disbelief are just interchangeable to me, it's pure semantics rather than a difference in perspective. So it's not something I would commit to, particularly given my scepticism to suitable evidence being obtained.
Wow, because science doesn't have have all the answers(yet) therefore god.
Gee, what a compelling argument.........
Hey man, don't laugh TOO hard! That god, the one that lives in the gaps, the gaps we keep closing more and more with science, he might really truly just be there and we just have to REALLY close those gaps to prove it!
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RE: I know how the universe was created
July 20, 2012 at 7:43 am
(July 20, 2012 at 5:31 am)Selliedjoup Wrote: Interesting read although it won't tell you what the consensus for the origin of the big bang. Sure you can dismiss an origin as time was created during the big bang, but I don't think that's a conclusion many scientists will consider as satisfactorily complete..hey it may have even lead to this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Hadron_Collider
Many cosmologists (the most famous being Fred Hoyle) have problems with the Big Bang theory considering it to be the 20th century's version of the creation story.
https://sites.google.com/site/bigbangcosmythology/
The basic case is that the galactic redshift has been misinterpreted as indicating speed of recession, whilst it is actually an indication of distance, and is caused by something called the "Compton Effect" where photons are absorbed by intergalactic gas and retransmitted at a lower energy. The site also mentions how the cosmological heirarchy is acting like a priesthood where the Big Bang idea is so firmly entrenched (it is in textbooks after all ) that all dissenting views are dismissed, and anyone who wants to get ahead in the field (i.e. wants study and research grants) cannot afford to be seen as a maverick.
Make up your own mind.
Regards
Grimesy
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RE: I know how the universe was created
July 21, 2012 at 5:34 am
(This post was last modified: July 21, 2012 at 5:35 am by Selliedjoup.)
[quote='Creed of Heresy' pid='312829' dateline='1342781879']
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I'm exactly the same as you, except I can see no reason to discount either a god or a natural solution at the moment. Existence requires an explanation, which we have no answer for at the moment, and I'm sceptical that science will provide the evidence to account for existence, on that basis I don't discount a god.
[quote]A lack of belief, or disbelief are just interchangeable to me, it's pure semantics rather than a difference in perspective. So it's not something I would commit to, particularly given my scepticism to suitable evidence being obtained.
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[quote]Translation: "I have to believe, ergo I believe, and I prefer to be skeptical of logical explanations, rather than baseless claims, because they might prove what I believe wrong and I cannot handle it."[/quote]
You miss the point if you think I'm sceptical of logical explanations. If you think I believe, that's your call I'm not bothered.
[quote]I find it fascinating the dependence many atheists place on these fluctuations. It almost seems like conjecture. [/quote]
[quote]He says to an agnostic man who has professed many times over to simply be interested in the learning and not the arguing...[/quote]
As everyone is supposedly agnostic, stating someone is agnostic would be redundant, unless of course you're trying to distance yourself from atheism for whatever reason. 
[quote]I find it fascinating the amount of weight you put into the unfounded and baseless and how much skepticism you instead choose to heap on stuff that actually makes far more sense and can be tested and proven.[/quote]
[quote]Sceptical... sceptical... sceptical...[/quote]
[quote]You mean skeptical? Either way...[/quote]
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RE: I know how the universe was created
July 21, 2012 at 5:41 am
(July 20, 2012 at 7:43 am)pgrimes15 Wrote: (July 20, 2012 at 5:31 am)Selliedjoup Wrote: Interesting read although it won't tell you what the consensus for the origin of the big bang. Sure you can dismiss an origin as time was created during the big bang, but I don't think that's a conclusion many scientists will consider as satisfactorily complete..hey it may have even lead to this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Hadron_Collider
Many cosmologists (the most famous being Fred Hoyle) have problems with the Big Bang theory considering it to be the 20th century's version of the creation story.
https://sites.google.com/site/bigbangcosmythology/
The basic case is that the galactic redshift has been misinterpreted as indicating speed of recession, whilst it is actually an indication of distance, and is caused by something called the "Compton Effect" where photons are absorbed by intergalactic gas and retransmitted at a lower energy. The site also mentions how the cosmological heirarchy is acting like a priesthood where the Big Bang idea is so firmly entrenched (it is in textbooks after all ) that all dissenting views are dismissed, and anyone who wants to get ahead in the field (i.e. wants study and research grants) cannot afford to be seen as a maverick.
Make up your own mind.
Regards
Grimesy
The guy who wrote that is also a 9/11 truther.
Make up your own mind.
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RE: I know how the universe was created
July 21, 2012 at 5:44 am
(July 20, 2012 at 7:03 am)Zen Badger Wrote: (July 20, 2012 at 6:28 am)Selliedjoup Wrote: I'm exactly the same as you, except I can see no reason to discount either a god or a natural solution at the moment. Existence requires an explanation, which we have no answer for at the moment, and I'm sceptical that science will provide the evidence to account for existence, on that basis I don't discount a god.
A lack of belief, or disbelief are just interchangeable to me, it's pure semantics rather than a difference in perspective. So it's not something I would commit to, particularly given my scepticism to suitable evidence being obtained.
Wow, because science doesn't have have all the answers(yet) therefore god.
Gee, what a compelling argument.........
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientism
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RE: I know how the universe was created
July 21, 2012 at 7:45 am
(July 20, 2012 at 5:15 am)Selliedjoup Wrote: (July 20, 2012 at 5:05 am)Ace Otana Wrote: When they state that god always existed, we can save a step and state that the universe always existed. 
We can answer where the universe came from scientifically. We don't actually need a 'god' to explain it.
They know it and hate it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang
but do they know it's only 8,000 miles wide?
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