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Right to die
#11
RE: Right to die
Voluntarily ending ones own life being orders of magnitude easier in all but the most extreme cases compared to even the very beginnings of workable regulations. Who, for what, by whom, exemptions, how to handle insurance polices, etc.
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#12
RE: Right to die
(July 24, 2012 at 3:24 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Well, as Whateverist said, we already have this right (whether or not it is officially recognized). I can't see it ever being practical in our overly litigious culture though. Imagine how hefty the waivers, affidavits, and notarized documents would have to be if a disagreement arose between a provider and a client's survivors? Even if all of this were handled, there would still be run of the mill impropriety on top. As a right it seems like a no brainer, as a service (which is all we'd actually be talking about in the end) it would stretch our system of law. It's probably doable, but I don't know that we'd actually stick with it long enough to iron it out.

Can you imagine the backlash from the religious right? (Is it really necessary to qualify religious with "right wing" anymore. Are there really any other kind?)
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#13
RE: Right to die
Yes.
Not only that but I think "death by chocolate" should be a valid method of doing it.
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#14
RE: Right to die
NO, IT SHOULD NOT BE LEGAL.



















Okay, I don't really think that, but everyone keeps saying "yes" here and that's not much of a debate. Isn't there anyone who's going to start talking about "god's purpose for humans" or "sanctity of life"? To make things a little more controversial -

Should suicide be legal?
Should involuntary euthanasia be legal?
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#15
RE: Right to die
(July 24, 2012 at 11:36 pm)genkaus Wrote: NO, IT SHOULD NOT BE LEGAL.



















Okay, I don't really think that, but everyone keeps saying "yes" here and that's not much of a debate. Isn't there anyone who's going to start talking about "god's purpose for humans" or "sanctity of life"? To make things a little more controversial -

Should suicide be legal?
Should involuntary euthanasia be legal?

K.
No it should not be legal, God makes them live for a reason. What that reason is isn't for us mere mortals to question for it is written in the holy bible:
“To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted” - Ecclesiastes 3:1-2

Happy now? Because I feel like I need to take one-hundred showers in a row and even then its not a sure thing I'd feel clean.
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#16
RE: Right to die
didn't we have this conversation like 2 weeks ago?
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#17
RE: Right to die
Why should we have the right to end our lives, we do not have the right to take the life of others except in the case of protecting ourselves from a killer. Many diseases are killers and we have the right to kill them if we can, so there is no need to take our own life. Back to the case of someone trying to kill us, it's just like a disease we can't always be successful in fighting the threat, so should we just give up and kill ourselves.
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#18
RE: Right to die
(July 25, 2012 at 12:58 am)Godschild Wrote: Why should we have the right to end our lives, we do not have the right to take the life of others except in the case of protecting ourselves from a killer. Many diseases are killers and we have the right to kill them if we can, so there is no need to take our own life. Back to the case of someone trying to kill us, it's just like a disease we can't always be successful in fighting the threat, so should we just give up and kill ourselves.

This past February, my grandmother (whom I was the closest to in the family) was diagnosed with cancer. We looked into options to fight it. Within two weeks of diagnosis she was bedridden in the hospital. She suffered there for a little over three weeks. It was apparent within the first days of her illness she wasn't going to get any better. She continued to suffer for those three weeks in total agony (she was a trooper and rarely complained, even though she had a tube literally running from her nose to her intestine draining the fluid that was blocking her up, she lived on no food for almost two weeks. Still, I knew that she was miserable.) She was ready to go, she wanted the pain to stop, but it just dragged on and on. I wanted so desperately for her suffering to end, as did she, but it took a month before the suffering stopped.

So tell me, why is it that she shouldn't have been given the option to have ended it?
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#19
RE: Right to die
(July 25, 2012 at 12:58 am)Godschild Wrote: Why should we have the right to end our lives, we do not have the right to take the life of others except in the case of protecting ourselves from a killer. Many diseases are killers and we have the right to kill them if we can, so there is no need to take our own life. Back to the case of someone trying to kill us, it's just like a disease we can't always be successful in fighting the threat, so should we just give up and kill ourselves.

I addressed this problem earlier with a question.

I don't have the right to force other people to smoke, so by that logic should I not have the right to smoke either? Or do most anything for that matter...
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#20
RE: Right to die
(July 25, 2012 at 1:21 am)KnockEmOuttt Wrote:
(July 25, 2012 at 12:58 am)Godschild Wrote:


This past February, my grandmother (whom I was the closest to in the family) was diagnosed with cancer. We looked into options to fight it. Within two weeks of diagnosis she was bedridden in the hospital. She suffered there for a little over three weeks. It was apparent within the first days of her illness she wasn't going to get any better. She continued to suffer for those three weeks in total agony (she was a trooper and rarely complained, even though she had a tube literally running from her nose to her intestine draining the fluid that was blocking her up, she lived on no food for almost two weeks. Still, I knew that she was miserable.) She was ready to go, she wanted the pain to stop, but it just dragged on and on. I wanted so desperately for her suffering to end, as did she, but it took a month before the suffering stopped.

So tell me, why is it that she shouldn't have been given the option to have ended it?

I truly feel for you, I know it's painful for all. My aunt several years ago had cancer and died a miserable death and her suffering was extended because my uncle could not let her go, that was a terribly selfish thing for him to do, she wanted to go she was tired of the pain. So it could get worse if people who are involved become selfish. My father told us that when there was no hope to let him go, we loved him enough to do that, we kept him on morphine until he died so the pain of his body shutting down would not be so bad. I even prayed that if he was not to recover that God would go ahead and take him so he would not have to suffer. My church has prayed that God would take people who were not going to get well so they would not suffer and in most cases He called them home within a couple of days. We have prayed that prayer for those who earlier in their lives joined in those prayers of mercy, knowing they would be happy we loved them enough to ask God to end their suffering.
My uncle is proof we do not always have control over our own lives, if we do not want someone extending our lives we need to have a living will made out for our doctors, stating only to have pain killers and water, when one is not feed there is no pain suffered, so we do have some control over our death, but no one should have there lives shortened by what people call mercy killing. I know that doesn't make much sense to you especially after what I said about prayer, but I believe that our lives belong to God and His will should be allowed to the end of our lives. One never knows how God may be working with others.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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