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RE: '...And I'm an Atheist'
August 3, 2012 at 12:36 am
(August 2, 2012 at 11:32 pm)CliveStaples Wrote: (July 25, 2012 at 10:19 pm)ElijahDrew Wrote: I'm sick of seeing these '..And I'm a Mormon' ads on YouTube! Can some atheist organization please start an ad campaign about us to piss off the religious?
Script: "Hi, I'm so-and-so. I wake up, go to my job at a charity organization, pick my kids up from school, take them to the park, never cheat on my wife, help the needy and guess what? I'm an atheist!"
I'm religious, but I wouldn't find "I'm an atheist" ads any more annoying than the "I'm a Mormon" ads.
Well, the ads are useful for dispelling preconceived notions about what Mormons are like. I also find the ads annoying, because I don't have preconceived notions of what Mormons are like other than the fact that they believe Mormonism. The atheists here, however, have lots of preconceived notions about theists in general (which includes Mormons)--their intelligence, their rationality, their contributions to society, and so forth. The amount of bigotry here is staggering; before I started contributing here, I thought that most atheists were just normal people, not the super-assholes you guys have here.
I'm only an asshole to religious people because of their condescending attitude towards the non-religious: "I'll pray for you then." "You're just lost." "I hate you've chosen that path."
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RE: '...And I'm an Atheist'
August 3, 2012 at 12:39 am
"Whaaa, atheists are big meanies". Grow up.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: '...And I'm an Atheist'
August 3, 2012 at 1:26 am
(This post was last modified: August 3, 2012 at 1:29 am by CliveStaples.)
(August 3, 2012 at 12:08 am)jackman Wrote: i gather that (you think) you're on higher ground because you haven't the very preconceived notions that others have of mormonism, based on you saying the ads do help some of those with them.
I am on no higher ground than anyone. Like most humans, I'm a selfish immoral ignorant biased douchebag.
That's not sarcasm, by the way.
(August 3, 2012 at 12:26 am)padraic Wrote: Quote:Well, the ads are useful for dispelling preconceived notions about what Mormons are like.
Do you mean stereotypes?
I have yet to come across a stereotype of any group which has been true for every member of that group I have met. [with the single exception of young earth creationists. SO FAR,every one I've run across has been a complete loon.I don't know any Scientologists]
Stereotypes? I guess. They don't necessarily have to be popular preconceived notions (but then, I guess stereotypes don't have to be either).
(August 3, 2012 at 12:36 am)ElijahDrew Wrote: (August 2, 2012 at 11:32 pm)CliveStaples Wrote: I'm religious, but I wouldn't find "I'm an atheist" ads any more annoying than the "I'm a Mormon" ads.
Well, the ads are useful for dispelling preconceived notions about what Mormons are like. I also find the ads annoying, because I don't have preconceived notions of what Mormons are like other than the fact that they believe Mormonism. The atheists here, however, have lots of preconceived notions about theists in general (which includes Mormons)--their intelligence, their rationality, their contributions to society, and so forth. The amount of bigotry here is staggering; before I started contributing here, I thought that most atheists were just normal people, not the super-assholes you guys have here.
I'm only an asshole to religious people because of their condescending attitude towards the non-religious: "I'll pray for you then." "You're just lost." "I hate you've chosen that path."
"You're just lost" <=> "You're just deluded"
"I hate you've chosen that path" <=> "I wish you didn't hate science and reason."
Condescension happens in both directions. Just look at Rhythm.
(August 3, 2012 at 12:39 am)Rhythm Wrote: "Whaaa, atheists are big meanies". Grow up.
I'm not saying that you're mean. I'm saying that you're hypocritical bigots. You could be the nicest person in the world and still be a hypocritical bigot. You could be the meanest asshole in the world and be neither a hypocrite nor a bigot.
But lots of members here are hypocritical bigots.
“The truth of our faith becomes a matter of ridicule among the infidels if any Catholic, not gifted with the necessary scientific learning, presents as dogma what scientific scrutiny shows to be false.”
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RE: '...And I'm an Atheist'
August 3, 2012 at 1:33 am
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You should probably make a list.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: '...And I'm an Atheist'
August 3, 2012 at 1:46 am
(August 3, 2012 at 1:26 am)CliveStaples Wrote: (August 3, 2012 at 12:08 am)jackman Wrote: i gather that (you think) you're on higher ground because you haven't the very preconceived notions that others have of mormonism, based on you saying the ads do help some of those with them.
I am on no higher ground than anyone. Like most humans, I'm a selfish immoral ignorant biased douchebag.
That's not sarcasm, by the way.
then, i'll take your word for it.
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RE: '...And I'm an Atheist'
August 3, 2012 at 1:56 am
(August 3, 2012 at 1:33 am)Rhythm Wrote: You should probably make a list.
Hey, maybe I'm wrong. I'm just some guy on the internet. But if you're concerned about things like intellectual honesty, authenticity, or egalitarianism, then it should probably matter to you whether you're a hypocrite or a bigot.
That doesn't mean you have to care about my judgment on the matter, of course, but hopefully you don't think that whether I'm right about you being a hypocritical bigot is something to just blow off.
“The truth of our faith becomes a matter of ridicule among the infidels if any Catholic, not gifted with the necessary scientific learning, presents as dogma what scientific scrutiny shows to be false.”
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RE: '...And I'm an Atheist'
August 3, 2012 at 2:01 am
Actually Clive, that's exactly what I think.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: '...And I'm an Atheist'
August 3, 2012 at 2:04 am
(August 3, 2012 at 2:01 am)Rhythm Wrote: Actually Clive, that's exactly what I think.
What is?
“The truth of our faith becomes a matter of ridicule among the infidels if any Catholic, not gifted with the necessary scientific learning, presents as dogma what scientific scrutiny shows to be false.”
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RE: '...And I'm an Atheist'
August 3, 2012 at 4:55 am
(August 3, 2012 at 1:26 am)CliveStaples Wrote: "You're just lost" <=> "You're just deluded"
"I hate you've chosen that path" <=> "I wish you didn't hate science and reason."
Condescension happens in both directions. Just look at Rhythm.
That was the point being made. Condescension is an appropriate response for condescension. In simplest terms - they started it.
(August 3, 2012 at 1:26 am)CliveStaples Wrote: I'm not saying that you're mean. I'm saying that you're hypocritical bigots. You could be the nicest person in the world and still be a hypocritical bigot. You could be the meanest asshole in the world and be neither a hypocrite nor a bigot.
But lots of members here are hypocritical bigots.
How do you conclude hypocrisy?
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RE: '...And I'm an Atheist'
August 3, 2012 at 5:14 am
just use Adblock this will block all of that annoying ads.
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