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RE: Acting authentically in the face of survival
July 27, 2012 at 11:49 pm
(July 27, 2012 at 10:22 pm)Categories+Sheaves Wrote: (July 27, 2012 at 7:28 pm)Annik Wrote: You bring up a very interesting point, something I hadn't thought of. With that in mind, do you think people would be able to act more authentically if we didn't have to deal with those choices? I disagree with the way this question is formulated: confronting these sorts of questions is what constitutes our authenticity. We aren't some spiritual being displaced into a material world; we have no 'inner soul' yearning for a pre-set destiny (I'm sure you're familiar with Sartre's "existence precedes essence"). By accepting this void and assuming our freedom/responsibility* in our involvement with the world, we can determine our essence (Beauvoir says: "man makes himself a lack of being so that there might be being."). Existentialism (from its internal perspective, anyway) consists of realizing that we have to face these choices (and we can't just 'cover up' this choice/abyss before us: that's bad faith).
*this is more or less just observing that we have to deal with the consequences of our actions... it's essentially the other side of our freedom, and realizing that our choices have consequences.
Thinking on it, I've come to realize that there is a flaw in the very premise of this question. I (and having discussed it with her, Annik as well) understand that authenticity is the affecting of one's own ideals in spite of pressures, external or otherwise.
I think perhaps a more apt understanding of the question posted in the OP is whether or not one can truly be free when one must live to survive.
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RE: Acting authentically in the face of survival
July 27, 2012 at 11:50 pm
Well, perhaps not that kind of game, but some kind of game, I'm sure. I'm going to keep Tiberius forever and I want him to want to keep me, so I'll play by the safe rules. 
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RE: Acting authentically in the face of survival
July 28, 2012 at 12:10 am
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RE: Acting authentically in the face of survival
July 28, 2012 at 1:39 am
(July 27, 2012 at 1:41 pm)Annik Wrote: I recently had a conversation that filled my head with fuck.
EDIT: This is an existential topic.
We have to have money to survive in this world.
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RE: Acting authentically in the face of survival
July 28, 2012 at 2:02 am
(July 28, 2012 at 1:39 am)cratehorus Wrote: (July 27, 2012 at 1:41 pm)Annik Wrote: I recently had a conversation that filled my head with fuck.
EDIT: This is an existential topic.
We have to have money to survive in this world.
That was clearly part of the preface and was not meant to be taken as the point of the discussion.
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RE: Acting authentically in the face of survival
July 28, 2012 at 2:25 am
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(July 28, 2012 at 2:02 am)Hovik Wrote: That was clearly part of the preface and was not meant to be taken as the point of the discussion.
Y'know... I'm still a nihilistic existential determinist of a hedonist. And even I can't find a point in this 'discussion' 
Perhaps it is because meaning might as well be whatever I think it is. 
And I think snow cones are delicious. Omnom.
((Are we actually discussing something here, or are we just rambling on in amusing psudo-psychobabble? Is there something I haven't already answered to your satisfaction? After all... I am She-Who-Knows-All-The-Cats... the Purple Light of Guidence... The real life Akinator... the Blood Witch of the Cave of Kaer Banorg! (I do resent being called a purple and green two headed monster, but at least the heart attack was spot on, ahhhh, I remember it well. )))
Wow, this is like the first time I've said something philosophical in like 6 months. I'm kinda impressed with myself.
"People who live in glass houses should shut the fuck up", and all of that other good stuff, amiright?
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RE: Acting authentically in the face of survival
July 28, 2012 at 1:08 pm
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We're talking about very specific existential themes, not "psudo-psychobabble". This was meant to be a discussion, not a Q&A.
As Hovik said, I feel my OP is no longer relevant. CS summed up what I was forgetting quite neatly. It's now a question as to if we are truly free in the face of survival.
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RE: Acting authentically in the face of survival
July 28, 2012 at 1:35 pm
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RE: Acting authentically in the face of survival
July 28, 2012 at 1:47 pm
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(July 28, 2012 at 1:08 pm)Annik Wrote: We're talking about very specific existential themes, not "psudo-psychobabble". This was meant to be a discussion, not a Q&A.
As Hovik said, I feel my OP is no longer relevant. CS summed up what I was forgetting quite neatly. It's now a question as to if we are truly free in the face of survival.
You misunderstand me... all of the various topics have evaporated into clouds. It's like discussing dogs vs cats after all of the points have been made and the answer is clearly dogs. 
This is now a pseudo-psychobabbly brook. Of steam! IN THE SKY!
Since you seem to be merrily ignoring my responses regarding your Rivulet of Jabberation, what then is freedom?
It's not a Q&A, and yet Annik says, "It's now a question". Will wonders never cease 
(July 28, 2012 at 1:35 pm)Categories+Sheaves Wrote: Amusing pseudo-psychobabble is srs business. Srsly.
Naw doug, it's a troupe of cantaloupe devourin jackalopes wearing their dandy soap-on-a-roaps.
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