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Hell is not real...
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July 30, 2012 at 5:26 pm
(This post was last modified: July 30, 2012 at 5:27 pm by Cinjin.)
(July 30, 2012 at 5:24 pm)catfish Wrote:(July 30, 2012 at 5:21 pm)Cinjin Wrote: This advice from a guy who believes in what ancient books tell him. yeah ... me ... I'm the delusional one. ![[Image: facepalm.gif]](https://images.weserv.nl/?url=i1118.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fk619%2Fjcincain%2FEmoticons%2520Insults%2520and%2520Kudos%2Ffacepalm.gif)
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well you're a deist.
 
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July 30, 2012 at 5:33 pm
(This post was last modified: July 30, 2012 at 5:36 pm by catfish.)
(July 30, 2012 at 5:26 pm)Cinjin Wrote: yeah ... me ... I'm the delusional one. T'was you who made the claim(s) of hell and eternal torment being in the bible. I said hell wasn't real, I suppose you want me to prove the non-existence of hell then??? I'll take your silence on this matter as I should... no logical rebuttal... (July 30, 2012 at 5:00 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote: ...So thats that. I suppose the real question here is why would you try to convince us theres no claims of hell? Well of course to make your religion sound more palatable than it actually is. Perhaps you also believe yourself to have "sinned" and wish to escape the preachings of your own belief system? Perhaps you cannot stand the thought of a creator who would happily torture his own creations forever for what he made them and simultaneously claim eternal love for them. Why convince you? I'm not trying to convince you of anything. Only trying to guide you as to how you have been duped and continue to be duped. Was the rest of the above quote projection? 
Biblical references to Hell (whether they actually are in there or not) and the non-existence of Hell are not mutually exclusive. Neither Cinjin and Raphiel claimed they think the place is real.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
(July 30, 2012 at 5:43 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Biblical references to Hell (whether they actually are in there or not) and the non-existence of Hell are not mutually exclusive. Neither Cinjin and Raphiel claimed they think the place is real. And when did I say they thought it was real??? Here's the body of the OP in case you you have trouble remembering that far back: "Anyone who believes that "hell" is in the Bible has fallen for one of the greatest lies of all times."
I think this gave me the clue:
(July 30, 2012 at 5:33 pm)catfish Wrote:(July 30, 2012 at 5:26 pm)Cinjin Wrote: yeah ... me ... I'm the delusional one. Why would you ask if Cinjin wants you to prove your assertion if not because of an implication that they hold the contrary position?
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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July 30, 2012 at 6:21 pm
(This post was last modified: July 30, 2012 at 6:22 pm by Reforged.)
(July 30, 2012 at 5:33 pm)catfish Wrote:(July 30, 2012 at 5:00 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote: ...So thats that. I suppose the real question here is why would you try to convince us theres no claims of hell? Well of course to make your religion sound more palatable than it actually is. Perhaps you also believe yourself to have "sinned" and wish to escape the preachings of your own belief system? Perhaps you cannot stand the thought of a creator who would happily torture his own creations forever for what he made them and simultaneously claim eternal love for them. It is obvious to anyone reading this you have a need to sweep others up in your delusion to reassure yourself its true. Needless to say I don't believe in Hell but it is written in your holy book whether you like it or not. I would suggest that you either a) feel you gain some benefit by believing your religion doesn't support the idea of hell or b) you're an attention seeker. Of course you'd never admit to b) so tell me, what benefit do you gain from their not being a hell? Or is that too personal?
"That is not dead which can eternal lie and with strange aeons even death may die."
- Abdul Alhazred.  RE: Hell is not real...
July 30, 2012 at 6:46 pm
(This post was last modified: July 30, 2012 at 6:54 pm by Godscreated.)
(July 30, 2012 at 12:00 pm)jonb Wrote:(July 30, 2012 at 11:38 am)Godschild Wrote: Prove your statement. Out of your own mouth. (July 30, 2012 at 1:31 pm)catfish Wrote:(July 30, 2012 at 11:38 am)Godschild Wrote: Prove your statement. I do and I have, ask others here. (July 30, 2012 at 4:04 pm)catfish Wrote:(July 30, 2012 at 3:49 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote: Everyone be quiet, let these two debate the topic and prepare for hilarity. No he want. (July 30, 2012 at 2:32 pm)aleialoura Wrote:(July 30, 2012 at 11:38 am)Godschild Wrote: Prove your statement. No it's not, trying to find out why he/she believes the statement made to be true.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
(July 30, 2012 at 6:46 pm)Godschild Wrote:(July 30, 2012 at 1:31 pm)catfish Wrote: I'll prove my statement when you admit that you believe that hell is Biblical or try to convince others that it is... You do believe that our current translations were derived from other languages, correct? RE: Hell is not real...
July 30, 2012 at 7:10 pm
(This post was last modified: July 30, 2012 at 7:11 pm by Godscreated.)
(July 30, 2012 at 6:55 pm)catfish Wrote:(July 30, 2012 at 6:46 pm)Godschild Wrote: I do and I have, ask others here. I believe no one has the original writings, as you have stated, the NT was written in Greek and what we have of the OT is in Hebrew and Greek, do you believe they were written in some unknown language. Have not seen you attempt to enlighten us yet.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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