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RE: Evolution/creation 2
August 8, 2012 at 1:27 pm
(August 8, 2012 at 12:57 pm)Undeceived Wrote: (August 8, 2012 at 12:29 pm)Annik Wrote: In my eyes, willful ignorance is dishonest, especially when the facts are laid out on the table before you. This is something that has always irked me. Maybe not so much when discussion philosophy or differing opinions, but when it comes to actual facts, pure facts, I find myself easily riled. I have never understood how people could buy into the creation science hoax. When I was a Christian, I didn't even really know people actually, literally believed that. I would like to take the time to thank my public school district for having once science class in every year of my public schooling expect my last two years of high school. I just-- I don't understand. No one is lying to you, no one is trying to trick you. It's all just science. The problem is, it's not all science. Evolution is a history and thereby has not been tested using the scientific method. But there's another problem with this discussion. Evolution is a route. Creation is a beginning. If you want to compare apples to apples, focus on the Big Bang vs. God creating matter, and spontaneous generation vs. God creating life. Don't point to a long line of 'linked' organisms and think you've eliminated the need for God.
Please shut the fuck up. Just because you believe in god and feel compelled to talk doesn't mean you could ever conceive of anything that deserves to be said.
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RE: Evolution/creation 2
August 8, 2012 at 1:28 pm
(August 6, 2012 at 11:44 pm)Drich Wrote: I'm not talking evolution. I am talking about how creationism assimilates evolution in it's trivial entirety. Again there is more than enough meat on the bone for a serious discussion here. I took a pot shot at your faith to see who would fall, and to see who would set up to the actual arguement.
I can't believe everyone took this troll's bait. 
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RE: Evolution/creation 2
August 8, 2012 at 1:33 pm
(August 8, 2012 at 1:27 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Quote:, and spontaneous generation vs. God creating life.
This one is hilariously amusing to me. You don't know what spontaneous generation is do you?
Apparently our "undeceived" friend's scientific knowledge is stuck in the 19th century.
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RE: Evolution/creation 2
August 8, 2012 at 1:35 pm
I probably wouldn't have, except for the garbage he decided to add to the end and the suspsicion that he's been posting it elsewhere. Apparently "the atheist" (wtf is that btw..shades of Fear and Loathing..lol) isn't stumped, and these boards weren't wowed by his amatuer apologetics, regardless of what he may want others elsewhere to believe.
I actually enjoy threads like these though, they stand as a sort of monument to ignorance.
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RE: Evolution/creation 2
August 8, 2012 at 1:38 pm
(August 8, 2012 at 12:57 pm)Undeceived Wrote: Don't point to a long line of 'linked' organisms and think you've eliminated the need for God.
There's no point in trying to eliminate/rule out a god if there was never any reason to rule in a god in the first bloody place.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan
Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.
Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.
You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
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RE: Evolution/creation 2
August 8, 2012 at 1:43 pm
(August 8, 2012 at 1:11 pm)jupitor Wrote: I've not read much of this thread as it is so long but the Adam and Eve story is so ridiculous its incredible. Firstly there would be no thought of years/months then so they wouldn't know how long they lived and there certainly wouldn't be a record of it; plus a human would never live to be 800 yrs or so. Secondly Adam and Eve had two sons. Cain killed Abel and then travelled and got married. Who did he marry????? Research "ancient megafauna":
http://dinosaurs.about.com/od/otherprehi...ammals.htm
In prehistoric times--or "pre-Flood' as creationists say--organisms were generally larger. This was a result of a denser, milder atmosphere. Evolutionist scientists can't really explain how the earth arrived at this high-pressure atmosphere, but creationists theorize a water vapor canopy (referenced in Genesis 1:7). Higher pressure allows for thicker body structures and longer life. Judging by the ages in giant tortoises today, large dinosaurs may have lived hundreds of years. The same goes for humans.
Cain married his sister, just as Abraham married his half-sister. At that point complications associated with incest had not yet accumulated. There were also less diseases, allowing for longer lives.
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RE: Evolution/creation 2
August 8, 2012 at 1:49 pm
(August 8, 2012 at 1:43 pm)Undeceived Wrote: Cain married his sister, just as Abraham married his half-sister.
And a banjo was heard playing nearby.
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RE: Evolution/creation 2
August 8, 2012 at 1:49 pm
(August 8, 2012 at 1:43 pm)Undeceived Wrote: (August 8, 2012 at 1:11 pm)jupitor Wrote: I've not read much of this thread as it is so long but the Adam and Eve story is so ridiculous its incredible. Firstly there would be no thought of years/months then so they wouldn't know how long they lived and there certainly wouldn't be a record of it; plus a human would never live to be 800 yrs or so. Secondly Adam and Eve had two sons. Cain killed Abel and then travelled and got married. Who did he marry????? Research "ancient megafauna":
http://dinosaurs.about.com/od/otherprehi...ammals.htm
In prehistoric times--or "pre-Flood' as creationists say--organisms were generally larger. This was a result of a denser, milder atmosphere. Evolutionist scientists can't really explain how the earth arrived at this high-pressure atmosphere, but creationists theorize a water vapor canopy (referenced in Genesis 1:7). Higher pressure allows for thicker body structures and longer life. Judging by the ages in giant tortoises today, large dinosaurs may have lived hundreds of years. The same goes for humans.
Cain married his sister, just as Abraham married his half-sister. At that point complications associated with incest had not yet accumulated. There were also less diseases, allowing for longer lives.
You really do know fuck all about real science.
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RE: Evolution/creation 2
August 8, 2012 at 1:51 pm
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(August 8, 2012 at 1:27 pm)Rhythm Wrote: (August 8, 2012 at 12:57 pm)Undeceived Wrote: and thereby has not been tested using the scientific method. Yes, it has. Show me a repeatable test in which scientists have demonstrated the tendency of organisms to reproduce and mutate faster than they go extinct.
Quote:, and spontaneous generation vs. God creating life.
Quote:This one is hilariously amusing to me. You don't know what spontaneous generation is do you?
There is nothing amusing about this. Provide me with a history of life omitting both God and spontaneous generation.
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RE: Evolution/creation 2
August 8, 2012 at 1:51 pm
(August 8, 2012 at 1:43 pm)Undeceived Wrote: Research "ancient megafauna":
http://dinosaurs.about.com/od/otherprehi...ammals.htm
In prehistoric times--or "pre-Flood' as creationists say--organisms were generally larger. This was a result of a denser, milder atmosphere. Evolutionist scientists can't really explain how the earth arrived at this high-pressure atmosphere, but creationists theorize a water vapor canopy (referenced in Genesis 1:7). Higher pressure allows for thicker body structures and longer life. Judging by the ages in giant tortoises today, large dinosaurs may have lived hundreds of years. The same goes for humans.
Cain married his sister, just as Abraham married his half-sister. At that point complications associated with incest had not yet accumulated. There were also less diseases, allowing for longer lives.
Wow, look at all of those unsupported assertions.
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